Re: New Jag

[tutorial <tutorial@pi.net>]

tutorial wrote:
> 
> Benjamin Ruset wrote:
> >
> > I just recently bought a 81 XJ-6 for an almost unbelievable price. My
> > previous car was an 85 Mazda RX-7, so I'm still getting used to the
> > thing. The car definately has class. But, it needs a few things. If
> > anyone can help me locate these, or point me in the right direction, I'd
> > appreciate it. =)
> >
> > First off, someone stole my hood ornament! (Leaper, I guess..) So, I'd
> > like one of those to cover up the two small mounting holes in the hood.
> >
> > Secondly, I need a glove compartment door. Mine is there, but the wood is
> > really messed up, and I want to replace it.
> >
> > Thirdly, can someone tell me about the stock stereo system in it? The
> > sound is pretty good, but I'm wondering if there's an amplifier hidden
> > somewhere in the car. My RX-7 came stock with 2 Clarion amps in the back,
> > and I'm just wondering what sort of setup Jaguar used.
> >
> > Other than that, let me just say that this is the BEST car that I have
> > ever had the pleasure of driving!
> >
> > -ben ruset
> >  bruset@shell.monmouth.com
> >  '81 Jaguar XJ-6
> >  '69 Buick Skylark
> 
> Dear Benjamin,
> Congretulations with your Jaguar. I'm sorry someone borrowed the leaper
> from your bonnet, but hey: their might be some good in this.
> I'v read several discussions on this list regarding this little cat-on
> -the-hood, and i also mounted one on my Series 1 xj6. After 6 months i
> removed it, plastered the holes and glued the beauty to a now awfully
> good looking pencil holder on my desk! I can look at it all day. Jaguar
> never used the laeper on a XJ-type and for some good reasons:
> 1: On the older Jags the bonnet was tilted more so the leaper's main
> direction was forward rather than looking up to the clouds as it does on
> a XJ.
> 2: Most leapers are part of a 3-part assembly, strip-leaper-strip. This
> explains the rather weird looking bottom end. If it is used without the
> strips (hope "strip" is the right word?) it looks as something missing 2
> other things.
> 3: And most importand: Let's be honest chaps, it looks like S.. on a
> modern Jaguar!
> 
> When i bought my 2nd Jag. (Double Six v/d Plas) wich was much more
> sporting to look at (S-II) it was clear to me that there would never
> again be a laeper on one of my XJ's. It just does not belong there.
> 
> William Noorloos
> XJ6 SI
> Double Six v/d Plas
> XJS HE


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I really could care less whether it was stock or aftermarket.  I already know
I don't know it all.

Jeff XJSC

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> From:          "Al Blue" <alblue@cvn.net>
> Jag owner for two years. Car is 1990 XK-S conv. 5.3L V12 w/35K miles.
> Serial is
> #171838.  Since purchase, car has used one quart of oil per 1000 miles. I
> have been told this is quote normal unquote. Oil is Castrol 10-30 per
> owners manual.

We'd better discuss this.  The Supplement to the repair manual indicates that 
10W/30 is not supposed to be used above 15 deg C (59 deg F).  The Haynes 
manual rather clearly states "Engine oils of 10W/30 or 10W/40 must not be 
used when the ambient temperature is above 60F (15.6C)".  What's worse, I 
once heard somewhere (cannot remember where) that Jaguar would invalidate the 
warranty on the engine if 10W/30 or 10W/40 oil was used.

If the owner's manual of a car as late as a 1990 recommends 10W/30, something 
must have changed -- either in the construction of the engine itself or in 
the attitude of somebody at Jaguar.  Whichever, I'd like to learn enough 
about it to cover it in the XJ-S help book.

> Car is not driven from Nov to April.

The only time the thin oil is acceptable!

> Questions: 1. Is the oil usage figure indeed normal?

No.  It shouldn't use oil.

> 2. Are these dead-cold starts doing more harm than good?

Depends.  I would kinda expect that doing a rudimentary storage procedure in 
the fall (spraying something in the plug holes, etc.) and leaving it alone 
until spring would probably be better.

> 3. If answer to #2 is yes, what should be done to prepare the car for five
> months of
>     total inactivity?

Many people suggest pulling the plugs and spraying WD40 in there.  Pulling 
the plugs is, of course, a PITA.  How does the group feel about this idea: 
pour a bunch of two-cycle oil or Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas tank (perhaps 
running the tank a little low first), then drive a while to get the fuel 
system full of the mixture.  Then, before storing, disconnect the ignition 
and turn the starter a few times to spray the gas/oil mix into the cylinders. 
 The gas should evaporate fairly quickly, leaving the oil on the surfaces.  
Will that work?

 -- Kirbert      |     If anything is to be accomplished,
                 |     some rules must be broken.
                 |          - Palm's Postulate

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In a message dated 2/15/97 10:57:20 AM, you wrote:

<<Hi everyone,

I've been lurking regarding this matter but I think that it is time I threw
my two cents worth regarding the subject below......

>I have had in the past called via phone and Emailed Mr. Bolles about
>questions I have had with my XJS. He not only has taken the time to assist
me
>but has even taken time to look up part #s for me. To Leonard I will agree
>that Chad is a know it all, but without any negative attitude at all. He is
>and hopefully will continue to be a great source to this list and its
>members. I'm glad to have someone with his vast knowledge to use as a
>resource!!! We as "Jag-lovers" should embrace our fellow Jaggers and try to
>withhold the flames. Sorry to use the band for this but I feel that this
>situation was totally uncalled for. Again thank you Chad for all the help
>from the past!
>                                        Bruce Battles

I too have had great help from Chad including geting some parts at a very
fair price.  I find his advice to be on the spot and extremelyu useful
and...I don't think thaat he is a "know it all".  He just happens to know a
lot. I am damm glad that he is sharing it with us!

Leonard's input (who is Leonard anyways?) is only malicious and
counterproductive. So Leonard, stay the hell off the list and let the rest
of us absorb that advice that we find useful. If advice is not usefull then
we just quiretly ignore it but still appreciate the fact that someone is
willing totake the time to share it.  Regards to all,>>

Now my $0.02........   I dont think its fair to jump down someone's back
simply because they are attempting to help, I again will attest to Chad's
extremem helpfulness, When I have read older posts regarding Jags on AOL, I
have seen Chad post many lengthy and helpful posts on there, back when it
cost $2.95 an hour to use this stupid service (AOL).   Chad, thanks for
helping me in the past, and this Bud's for you.

Bill 

88 535i <--Someone buy the damn thing so I can buy that XJ40 already.
Oh, and a Mk2 3.8 that may never see the road again.....

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>I may have missed the original. Had a mail jam the other day... finally
>got two days worth at once. Lots of skim-n-delete...
>
>
>And, what you describe sounds right. I find it hard to believe I couldn't
>remember it from an Alpine. But then... I'm having a hard time remembering
>the last time I worked on an Alpine. Been some Tigers in the last few
>years...
>
Actually it was an aftermarket item.  The reason It was on the Alpines I
had, is there was a spare guage hole on the far left for clock, etc.  I used
to move it from vehicle to vehicle, but it mounted in a stardard guage hole.
Darn, I wish I kept it.  It really worked.  You know a clever engineer could
probably build one and I envision the thing being mounted under the dash and
you pull it down.  See green, ok.  Red, top her up!

Tom, now you know why I don't recycle, I used to throw things out, now I
need them



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From: stephen kurtzman <stephen@kurtzman.com>
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Sorry I couldn't reply to this letter sooner. I was out on a 1200 mile trip
in my new XK8. It performed like a champ -- quick accelleration, sure
handling, smoothe ride, perfect acoustics in the sound system. It may not
be Kirbert's new legend, but it is a great Jaguar nonetheless.

>After hearing all the other people's comments on how this car looks better in
>real life than in pictures, I was ready for that -- I have had that
>experience before.  However, my impression of this car was WORSE than the
>pictures.  I won't be saving my pennies for one of these cars, and I can't
>imagine that teenagers will be planning to go to med school just to be able
>to afford one the way they did for the E-type.

Tastes differ.

>I had been anticipating a chance to find out if those buck teeth in the cowl
>were removable.  It appears that removing them would be unwise, since they
>are there to decorate a large tubular structural member that goes across the
>opening.  This structural member needs painting flat black BAD -- the chrome
>rib doesn't totally cover it, and the clearly visible unfinished metal tubing
>looks like something Ford would do.

There is no unfinished metal tubing visible on mine. Further, those buck
teeth are a neutral grey color on mine, so they don't stand out as some
photographs make them appear.

>The dashboard is atrocious.  Lots of beautiful wood, but the distinct
>impression that the wood isn't the dash -- it's just a pretty covering over
>the real dash underneath.  Like, "it's really plastic, but 'quality' cars are
>supposed to have wood, so we slapped some wood on TOP of the plastic."  To
>add insult to injury, they stenciled the "XK8" insignia on the far right
>corner, so the passenger would know what car he's riding in.  Not a
>gold-plated trim piece or even gold lettering, but some tacky-looking tan
>paint.  Ford strikes again.  MUCH better if they had left it off -- wonder if
>it can be rubbed off?

The dashboard in my car is wood. Because I like my car, I have no need to
imagine that there is some evil plastic dash board lurking underneath.
Further more, the "XK8" and "Airbag" insignia are inlaid gold trim on my
dash. I don't know what you saw Kirbert. Perhaps the light caught the gold
from a bad angle as you peered in the window and just imagined the worst.

>17" wheels.  I suppose that's the trend these days, and considering the cost
>of large 15" tires, I would have at least gone to 16".  But 17"?  I dunno.
>Would expect the ride to suffer, but I can't vouch for that, didn't ride in
>it.  I don't think the wheels are very pretty either, but they are a lot
>better than some others these days.

I can't say whether the ride suffers because I can't do the side-by-side
comparison. I can say is that at 120 mph the car feels smoothe and
connected to the road and has plenty of power to spare. The suspension is
tighter than a regular saloon, but a little softer than in an XJR. It does
give a better ride than the XJR.

>One more note: As an XJ-S owner, I can now feel proud of my back seat!
>Although I normally would never ask anyone over 5 feet tall to sit in it, it
>is the back seat of a Rolls Royce compared to the back seat in the XK8
>convertible!  I really don't understand why the car companies do this kinda
>shit -- what good does it do to install a totally unusable back seat?  Why
>don't they just install a good storage compartment instead?  Or design a
>single seat facing sideways?  That feature also smacks of Ford.

The local dealer said they went to a seat instead of a package shelf back
in the XJS because owners demanded it.

>I'm glad it's selling well for them.  I hope they are investing the profits
>wisely; their long-term outlook doesn't look too good to me.

To each his own. The XK8 won't hurt Jaguar's long term. And the upcoming
supercharged version will do wonders. The one thing I miss from the XJR in
the XK8 is the kick and whine of the supercharger. I'll have to see what
Jaguar does with the X200 before reading the tea leaves.

SJK (the anti-Kirbert :-)
95 XJR
97 XK8



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From: "Jan Wikstrm" <104707.3644@CompuServe.COM>
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I can get the numbers easily enough; my old XJC has the same setup - but
they may not be relevant; what's your final drive ratio?

-Jan

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From: "Jan Wikstrm" <104707.3644@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: Suspension rattle and RE:Clunk when engaging
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Message text written by Matthew Waite
>Any suggestions...help???<

A simple test for the clunk is to jack up the rear of the car and get
somebody to twist the bejasus out of the rear wheels while you crawl under
to locate the source of the noise and movement. With all U-joints replaced
and the gearbox in good order, about the only remaining suspect is  the
final drive - especially likely if the person replacing the U-joints
tampered with the input shaft nut, as the bearing clearance is determined
by a crush spacer and this nut must NOT be disturbed (changing the pinion
bearing clearance can increase the backlash in the drive, as well as ruin
the bearings).

Much the same strategy applies to the front suspension: crawl under and
check all the new bushes. It can be something quite trivial; I had one of
the links to the front sway bar wear through its washer, giving it freedom
to push into the rubber bush and pull out again; it made the most
astonishing (and frightening) noise. Don't foget the upper shock absorber
mounts (visible under the bonnet); they're under-dimensioned and the metal
around them can crack.

- Jan

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Message text written by John Goodman
>The non return valve I assume maintains pressure when engine is turned
off<

That's right. As for the relief valves, their only function is to limit
pressure by opening when it reaches a set point (32 psi/2at on pre-HE
V12s). I gather the HE and later have a more complex system, but on the
pre-HE, the two valves operate in parallel, so if one fails to open, the
other takes over. I guess this is why I'd expect "failure to close" as the
common failure mode: if one of mine failed to open, I'd probably never
notice, as the other has sufficient capacity for the whole system.
The intermittent problem mentioned by Carl appears to have been caused by a
(single) valve that failed to open but mostly could be induced to do so by
pressure pulsations.

- Jan

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Message text written by Jim Isbell
>I am thinking its a bad brake hose that has deteriorated on the inside and
will not release the brakes<

FWIW, I've had a couple of instances of individual brakes failing to
release and/or failing to operate on my  XJs; in all cases, the cause was
hard, sticky gunk on the pucks hampering their movement. To clean this out
satisfactorily, it's necessary to split the calipers.

-Jan

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Three months ago I asked the list for suggestions on curing the poor 
cold start syndrome on Paul's 1981 XJ-S. This is a somewhat uncommon 
car. It is one of probably only a few hundred pre-HE vehicles to have Digital P 
Jetronic fuel injection. Apparently this type of car had European specifications 
and was not sold in the US, but this one ended up in Canada.

Thanks to Matthias, Dick, Greg and Michael who responded with 
suggestions on the cause of Paul's trouble. Paul has now found time 
to investigate, and it seems that Michael, who suggested a dud ECU,
was probably correct. Paul has tried replacing the ECU with one from 
a 1986 XJ-S HE. The cold start problem goes away but, not 
surprisingly, the car does not run well in other respects. 

Paul therefore wants to repair or replace his 1981 ECU. It is 
possible to buy a new one or get the old one rebuilt, but the expense 
is significant. Quite possibly only one or two components in the ECU 
are defective. Is it possible to obtain a circuit diagram and/or 
other information for the ECU which would enable an electronics 
technician to diagnose and repair the defective ECU?

John Nuttall

jnuttall@julian.uwo.ca

1977 XJ-S
1979 XJ-S - parts

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In ref. to oil level indicators on the inst. panel Mike wrote;
>>My '120 has one of those from the factory.  But then it holds 17 quarts.

Mike Eck<<

I didn't know about the XK120, my 150 did not have it as I recall, but that was
20 yr's ago I may have forgotten. The assembly time and place is consistent with
the old Rovers though, early 50's P4's, and they were built about 20 miles
apart. Probably  parts from Smiths delivered from same place on same day etc.
etc
Cheers 
Richard Griffiths


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Jim
>>>Ok, Ill bite, what is "cocking a snook"?  It sounds very British.
>                                                          Jim<<<
I believe the correct term is " cocking a snoot " and means " looking down on
one ".in Anglobonics 
Richard Griffiths


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>  I have a problem with the heater however. The air conditioner works great
>but the climate control does not put out any heat when it should be calling
>for heat. The fan will not run when the selector switch is placed in low,
>high or auto. When the switch is in defrost only cold air comes out. When
>in the cooling mode the fan works as it should.  
>Any thoughts?
>Craig

The most likely cause is you are not getting hot water to the heater matrix.
Possiblities range from the P.O. disconnecting, bypassing, or plugging 
the heater hoses, a stopped up matrix, or a failed water control valve.

The big clue here is the fan motor. There is a temp switch on (well, near)
the heater matrix that keeps the fans off until the temp hits 40C. This
switch is ignored (bypassed) in full A/C and defrost modes.



   Randy K. Wilson
     randy@taylor.infi.net

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Welcome Ben
I can sympathise with the missing leaper - I've had mine knocked off, as
have many others in the list. They are readily available from any Jag
parts store (not sure where you are so I can't be any more helpful than
that). I paid $50 AUD for mine - about $35US.

> Thirdly, can someone tell me about the stock stereo system in it? The
> sound is pretty good, but I'm wondering if there's an amplifier hidden
> somewhere in the car.

I have an '84 XJ6 Australian release (same as UK pretty much) so it may
be different for you, but mine originally had an amplifier mounted in
the centre console - it's a bit tough to get to. I left mine there when
I upgraded the sound system, too hard. The original system on mine was
4ch by 25 watt. The speakers were high quality rubber mounted cones,
they were still in good nick after 12 years and are still there.


Lastly I must strongly disagree with William Noorloos who suggested:
>3: And most importand: Let's be honest chaps, it looks like >S.. on a
> modern Jaguar!

I left mine off for a couple of months while I debated whether to
replace it, IMHO it looks much better with it on.

John
'84XJ6 Sov. 

Benjamin Ruset wrote:
> 
> I just recently bought a 81 XJ-6 for an almost unbelievable price. My
> previous car was an 85 Mazda RX-7, so I'm still getting used to the
> thing. The car definately has class. But, it needs a few things. If
> anyone can help me locate these, or point me in the right direction, I'd
> appreciate it. =)
> 
> First off, someone stole my hood ornament! (Leaper, I guess..) So, I'd
> like one of those to cover up the two small mounting holes in the hood.
> 
> Secondly, I need a glove compartment door. Mine is there, but the wood is
> really messed up, and I want to replace it.
> 
> Thirdly, can someone tell me about the stock stereo system in it? The
> sound is pretty good, but I'm wondering if there's an amplifier hidden
> somewhere in the car. My RX-7 came stock with 2 Clarion amps in the back,
> and I'm just wondering what sort of setup Jaguar used.
> 
> Other than that, let me just say that this is the BEST car that I have
> ever had the pleasure of driving!
> 

> -ben ruset
>  bruset@shell.monmouth.com
>  '81 Jaguar XJ-6
>  '69 Buick Skylark

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