| All comments made so far [628] |
| Date | Name | Country | Occupation |
| Jan 29 2005 13:31 | M R | Australia | IT Consultant |
The F-Type is one of the most beautiful cars I've ever seen, and I immediately knew I would have to have one!
Even Ford should listen up when they see that now, roughly 3 years after cancelling the project, people are still talking about it!
The new lightweight coupe is nice, but not a stunner like the F-type. |
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| Jan 19 2005 18:11 | Ron Smith | United States | Aerospace Engineer |
I think the Jaguar Advanced Lightweight Coupe is nice as an XK-8 replacement, but the thrust of new car development should be placed on something more modern. Three of the four current Jaguar models are (almost) retro-looking. The new line should break with the past. Think of a rear-engine sports model like the Ferrari 430, or 360, or 355. If Jaguar could put out a car like that at a reasonable price (the Ferrari costs $190,000) it would have a world-beater that would eclipse the legendary XK-E. The current V-8 is just about the right size, too. If it was styled similar to an updated XJ220, Jaguar couldn't make enough of them!
I've been waiting for this for 40 years; how about it? |
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| Jan 15 2005 07:00 | Thomas Miller | United States | |
I saw pictures and the video of the Jaguar Advanced Lightweight Coupe. The styling is great, except for the bright blue color. It needs a rounder front end to seperate it from the Aston Martins even thought Aston Martin has their own chassis and the next XK will use the new XJ's aluminum chassis. It also needs a bigger grille like the current XK8. I hope the XKR drives like a REAL sports car, but has a good ride quality.
It is the year 2005 and Jaguar can no longer rest on its laurels. Perhaps the F-Type can be put on hold until the next XK sells well.
Please market the next XK without that young guy's soft British voice in North America because it comes off as being snobby to many people.
Market it to BMW and Mercedes-Benz owners and I assure you that it will sell well. Many owners of old and new BMWs find the styling to be downright revolting. The taillights of a 5 series look like a Kia Rio's taillights. The grille of the 5 series looks like the grille of a Pontiac. Many BMW owners are rooting for a car maker to crush BMW, whether that be Cadillac, the new Corvette, the new Pontiac Solstice, Porsche, Aston Martin, or whoever.
If Cadillac can make a comeback, I have no doubt that Jaguar can make a great comeback with the help of Ian Callum and the XJ's fantastic aluminum chassis.
p.s. Don't forget about the XKSS
http://forums1.roadfly.org/jaguar/forums/xke/6040684-1.html |
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| Jan 03 2005 02:56 | Rick Kappler | United States | |
Jaguar should get rid of the X-Type and build the F-Type instead. It doesn't have to have an aluminum chassis but that would be nice. The X-Type is a near-luxury car built by a luxury car brand. Put a new I-6 in the F-Type. Also, offer a MANUAL TRANSMISSION for the 2006 Jaguar X150 (the next aluminum XK).
Read the following two articles:
http://www.thelandroverchronicle.com/new_page_135.htm
http://subscribers.wardsauto.com/microsites/newsarticle.asp?newsarticleid=2728595&siteid=26&magazineid=1004&instanceid=5121&pageid=824&srid=10088 |
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| Oct 08 2004 11:45 | Theo | United Kingdom | Automobile Car Design Student |
Reading the comments on the design of the F-type, I would like to know what would the general public would like to see on a new Jaguar sports car, for the year 2015?
Interms of Style/design, 2 door/2 seater, engine size etc.
I can be reached by email, reneharrigan@hotmail.com
ALL Ideas will be helpful towards a Jag for the future. |
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| Sep 24 2004 21:32 | John | United Kingdom | Automotive designer |
For over 15 years I have worked for FMC, in Essex and in Coventry, I started on Fiesta at Dunton, and then ended up on the development of X type and then F type until the suspension of the program. Working for Ford the company is and always has been a joy. Ford UK is a very caring employer, a great company. They've brought massive wealth to the local community here in Coventry and in Liverpool. Britain owes a lot to the guys in Dearborn! Yes without them Britain wouldn't have a car industry! Sad but true!
But (there's always a but) a lot of the older guys from Browns Lane around here (I live 2 miles away from the plant, don't see Ford as the good guys. Big shame.
I understand the economics, yes it's pure and simple, and it makes sense, especially when I compare the current Jaguar product with BMW Audi and Mercedes. (They have volume umm!) (I was very vocal when developing the X type !!) The very essence of what made Jaguar famous and popular, it's very DNA was diluted, by pure cost driven objectives. I said that to the CPE and others! Quality cars such as Jaguars should be designed up to a standard not down to a cost. Shame that. I am passionate about cars I drive a German 911 Porsche why? I like well funded and engineered cars, I wanted my F type but sadly!! (name withheld but me on e-mail takeiteazi3@aol.com)
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| Sep 09 2004 22:40 | Jean-Marc Freslon | United States | Structural Engineer |
In the today's world a lot of concept cars are banalized thru the process of marketing studies,industrialisation and overall profit rechearch by the manufacturers... when they give the "green light" for a project! Should the "F" Type be spoiled that way by the Ford Co guys, and I'd liked to keep a poster of it in my office. If the project evolute in a Jaguar Heritage way and pull off its soul straight from the concept, I promess myself to buy one...
The actual Jaguar aluminium chassis/unybody technology trend is exactly the right choice: Please disengage from the engine high power output escalade and work hard on the power to weight ratio: Have you ever drove a "C" or a "D" Type from the fifties? OK they were racing cars and in the name of safety you cannot retrieve the same figures on a production car, but what about the sensational feeling when you steer and brake such lightweight, well poised cars?
In one word, I don't mind about "ultimate driving machine", I want the Jaguar technology of the future and the emotions of the past...
Thank you to read me up to the -temporary- end.
All the best.
Jean-Marc,Francais vivant a Phoenix AZ.
P.S.:1- I owned a Berlina XJ6 Van Den Plas (1973) that I sold a couple of years ago, and it was the best Sedan of my life.
2- I own 9 Alfa Romeo in collection...
Jean-Marc Freslon, Francais vivant a Phoenix Arizona. |
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| Aug 14 2004 22:21 | Borges, Eduardo | Azores | E-Type owner |
| I absolutely agree with Mr Herbert Sodher words (June 06.2004). With Ford Motor Company, the spirit of "old true Jaguar's" is simply gone ... even the «Tchaikosvsky engine music of a E-Type» is no more available ! |
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| Jun 06 2004 05:50 | Herbert Sodher | United States | Civil Servant |
There is a belief that although Ford Motor Company saved it from extinction, it has never the less ruined the true essence and spirit of Jaguar. Space, Pace, and Grace symbolized a company that offered more in performance and beauty than almost any other car in the world. Please consider:
-- The F-TYPE captured a masterful spirit of a
modern E-TYPE truely one of the most beautiful
cars ever created.
-- Jag has no true sports cars in the USA, no V-12,
no manual trans. All its competetion does.
If not the F-TYPE, or similar, why does Jag exist? |
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| May 24 2004 05:34 | earl | United States | married 20 years! |
| i knew i was in trouble when i saw that pontiac was coming out with a 2 seat droptop and i was tempted. true, jaguar has the tradition of the luxorollers which they are still doing wonderfully today. but they also have the sport cars which they have been neglecting. it is a viable market segment from high end to economy with many car makers setting forth their offerings. this is someplace where jaguar should feel right at home and be a player. but instead they are breaking new ground with a diesel powered station wagon. i could just weep. |
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| May 17 2004 14:48 | Paul Read | Netherlands | IT Manager |
If AutoExpress is to be believed, th F-Type is back on! (6th May 2004) Based on the next X-Type, so front engine, RWD. Reveal 2006, on sale 2007.
Finally.
Please let it be gorgeous. Let it remind us in subtle ways of the C,D and E-Types, but be as remarkable and ahead of its time as they were in their day. May it be iconic. May it adorn the bedroom walls of boys, young and old. Let it leave motoring jounalists breathless and smitten.
If it looks anything like the original prototype and drives like it looks, it should do all that and more.
Roll on 2007! |
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| Apr 14 2004 17:48 | Tony Brown | France | Journalist |
| Much as the XK180's loss is to be regretted, Jaguar had a simple choice to make - a low volume sports car, or a diesel engine which would increase sales, especially in Europe, leaving more funds for the future. It compares in many ways to the original XJ220 concept versus the final product - V6/V12, 2/4 wheel drive. Would the XK180 have come out as originally shown? I doubt it - the bean counters would have had their way. However, you can buy one anyway, if you look hard enough. Tempero Cars of New Zealand make one in alloy based on an XK8 donor car, and I have looked up the site on the 'net. Interesting selection of replicas they make too. I have no connection with the company by the way. Myself? I have a 1961 E Type roadster and a Lynx D type, the former being mine for 23 years and 120,000 miles. Happy Jaguaring |
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| Apr 13 2004 01:33 | Kyle Marx | United States | investment advisor |
| I own a beautiful 2003 XKR convertible. i look forward to the new model whenever it comes out. One thing is for certain, the XK-180 was beautiful and would be a magnificent car. It kept the long hood and short rear end both with long and curvy lines. It would have also kept the large amount of wood on the dash and hopefully other places. Jaguar owners don't want sterile stainless steel or aluminum dashes, they want rich warm wood. High tech under the hood, simplicity and beauty everywhere else. I am 49 and look forward to my next XK and XJ. I have owned BMW's for the past 28 years and this XK is my first Jag. I had a 1995 850 CSI, 2000 745iL and a 2003 745 li. I have sorely missed my 745 and 850. The new BMW's have no beauty and what caught my eye with Jaguar was the beauty. I love the new XJ and will be replacing my 2003 745li with it in 2005. Please give me a new but beautiful XK for my next car in 2007. The F type I hope looks more like the XK 180, which is the most desirable car I have ever seen. Please build it. |
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| Apr 01 2004 23:07 | Blake McKinney | United States | Attorney |
| I am deeply saddened that Ford has elected to halt their plans for the F-Type production. I think it was one of the few designs that could live up to and continue the legend of the E-Type. I hope someone in a position of power will reconsider. At least give us some hope that this beautiful concept may come to fruition sometime in the not too distant future. |
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| Mar 26 2004 19:40 | Lester Batchelor | United Kingdom | Creative Director |
I am a Jaguar fanatic, I just love the marque, I am a proud owner of 5 Jags, one of them and e-Type. I was estatic having seen all three iterations of the now defunct designs.
In 2001 I was preparing to put an order in for the last car that I saw featured in a German magazine, the model that was to do battle with a Porsche Boxter with the engine in the back. I was devastated when the program was cancelled.
I am now in my early forties, but I have owned jaguars since my late twenties. Jaguar say that they are trying to appeal to the younger driver, but every time an exciting design appears from the Jaguar studios, it is compromised, postponed or shelved. I often wonder why ?
I really do hope that messers Callum and Thompson do manage to convince the powers that be at Jaguar to design a truly iconic automobile, like the E-Type that captured the imagination and hearts of so many fans worldwide, that was a real triumph of greatness.
I believe Jaguar right now has the best design talent on the planet in Callum, Helfet, and Thompson so why don't they allow these guys to really produce something special to again capture the autmotive worlds imagination like only a jaguar F-Type can.
LB. |
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| Mar 22 2004 21:47 | Margo | United States | Student |
I fell in love with the E-type, especially the 1965 model roadsters. The clean lines and the unique body style just radiated elegance and style. In my opinion, the F-type should take all of the good points of the E-type, performance, aesthetics, etc, and add some modern conveniences.
I happen to be an avid fan of the body stylings of the E-type, and prefer those lines to the more muted and almost non-existent lines of modern cars. Jaguar should go back to its roots, while making it appeal to both the older and younger generations. I am 20 years old, and I have loved the E-type since I was 9 years old and saw my father's best friend's Jag.
I would like to see Jaguar avoid the modernistic turn that makes cars look very "bubble" like and curvy, but go back to the more defineable lines that defined a generation and a company. |
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| Mar 07 2004 11:26 | Zain Zahoor | Pakistan | Student |
I didnt like the shape of the new F-type.
it looks quite old and the cockpit is also not
well made.If you take my advise make the X-type
convertible & coupe
thank you |
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| Feb 23 2004 07:12 | jonh aeron soriano | Philippines | student |
| i have been big fan of jaguar cars |
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| Feb 12 2004 18:39 | Luke David Capewell | United Kingdom | School Child |
I have been a big fan of Jaguar cars for many years and was very disapointed when they choose not to progress with the F type. Could you give me more details of the reasons for not progressing this superb vehicle to its release.
Thank you
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| Jan 08 2004 23:34 | t. matt | United States | |
| The first time I saw the sleek concept I knew the first year out I'd buy one. Bring it back to life!!!! |
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| Jan 08 2004 21:07 | Amien | South Africa | |
The "F-Type". Its breath-taking. The F-type must resume production immediately. This is a class outshinning all other sports cars currently on the market. There will non to compare to that of the and this will set a new class...and there will be no other competitors in this class. Please go for it and let the CAT rule the roads.
Its stunning. When this CAT purrs its excitment that fills the air and when you see the F-Type your heart skips two beats.
GO FOR IT!!!!! |
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| Dec 21 2003 16:01 | F-type lover | United States | Senior Systems Analyst |
| Please bring the F-type into production with a convertible hard top roof like Lexus, Mercedes, Caddy, and Chevy SLR have done. Rag tops are the way of the past. Give the F-type a nice auto tranny with a 300+ horse power V6 engine, and All wheel drive as an option, and I'll plunk down my check for less than $55k. 0 to 60 in under 6 seconds would be a bonus. :) |
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| Nov 18 2003 07:49 | stephen irishh | Australia | student |
| i love the f type jag uar and there is only one othe car i prefer and that is the jaguar xf 10 concept and i recon the ftyp and xf10 should be put in to production |
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| Nov 06 2003 00:28 | Carolyn Redmond | United States | Doctor |
I wat a jaguar f type car 2004 in hot pink and white leather convertible . When im on your website they dont show the car i want i want to know how much they run . And i want the top of line car .
Thank you
please send me more info about the range of prices on my email address
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| Nov 03 2003 19:05 | Jules | United Kingdom | IT Analyst |
I've only one word to describe the original f-type concept...STUNNING. It's the only car in a long time to evoke a feeling of excitement in me (the last time was about 25 years ago when my dad bough a Lamborghini).
One word to sum up the latter version...TRAVESTY. The redesign smacks to me of a designer trying to be selfish and drawing in changes so that he might take 'credit' for the design of the F. I mean, what the hell happened to the gorgeous back of the original concept? If I want a mailbox, I'll buy a mail box, but I don't expect my cars to look like one.
Some advice, stop messing!! Bring out the original concept F-type. When that makes serious money (as is obvious to anyone with a few cells of grey matter) then feel free to experiment with other designs for future models. If the original concept sees the light of day, you have my hard cash ready and waiting. Bring out the redesigned version, well, sorry, I guess it may appeal to some others, but not to me (or for that matter anyone I've spoken to).
I work in the IT industry and have seen so often that technical people developing software often lose sight of what's important, i.e. the usability and needs of the end user. It's not about what's technically perfect and what YOU as designers want to see; It's about what the public who are going to spend their hard earned money actually want. If you're unsure, why don't you simply open up a serious poll to find out which of the 2 versions the general public would prefer?
Other advice, the availability of a MANUAL gearbox. I (and so many others) are so sick to the back teeth of wannabe sports cars with their auto boxes. I want to feel I'm driving the car, not the car driving me! Furthermore, learn the lessons of the past. Bigger, more massive engines don't necessarily mean a better car. The V12 E-Type was too heavy and was never as good as the 3.8!!!!
In summary, in the original concept of the F-Type, you've got a car with personality, individuality and appeal. Don't bastardise it. Go back to the original design and PRODUCE the damn car. Are you really blind to the fact that you will actually make money on it? |
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| Oct 12 2003 22:05 | cara | United Kingdom | |
| its hot dont change a thing |
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| Sep 29 2003 20:44 | Olav Dolonen | Norway | |
Some comment to F-type:
Seen from both behind and front I can feel the breed from the E-type. It's nice. But the the looks from side, the car are missing curves. A roadster need to have curves which gives signals appealing to the heart. F-type looks like a piece of soap, smooth but not with curves which shows that there are lot of power onboard. Please, give it more appeal.
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| Sep 15 2003 13:14 | Andrew Dawson | United Kingdom | Consultant |
I prefered the original 2000 concept design the lines look much cleaner, fluid and organic - I do hope that is how the final version (if it ever gets made) will look like. The current penchant for slapping lots of unnecessary grill work and odd intersecting angles is irritating and will date the car very quickly.
As far as the engine goes ... who cares really ... as long as its not a lacky band engine and gets it up to a reasonable clip in good time (else you will quickly see this motorcar quickly price itself out of the market) more important will be how it sounds - it needs to purr at the bottom and howl at the top.
It should handle well (it's stance looks promising) as all good sports cars should.
Ahhhh I been waiting for this car to produced since I saw the initial rumours of it in 2000 I suppose I can wait a bit longer. |
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| Sep 10 2003 13:46 | Pasi Pennanen MA(RCA) | Italy | Senior Designer |
Dear Readers, Jaguar enthusiasts,
Firstly, thank you all for your comments i have been priviedged to read in these past two-three years. As freedom of speach, and not restricted by direct scare of being sacked from my job, i want to take this opportunity to say few words.
As most of you know, F-type Concept was natural follower to XK 180, that was created by Special Vehicle Operations in co-operation with Jaguar Design. That time our Chief Designer, Geoff Lawson, signed two man design team for the job, Principal Designer Keith Helfet and myself. XK180 was my first design project for Jaguar, and my input was 100% interior, and about 30% exterior, mainly detailing and being part of the team. Keith did great job with exterior, and the car became the star of the show in Paris, autumn 1998, and was followed by second car we ever built, XK180 Detroit, for 1999 January Show. Succes in US was amazing! This actually triggered off talk about that kind of 2-seater should carry Jaguars E-type heritage forward, but in more contemporary manner, as XK180 was intended to be quite retro, but same time all time classic. Sincere -Thank you! -to J.Mays, who loved the car and later on was inspiring us in creation of the F-type.
Again, Geoff, Keith and myself, were kicking off the project, modelling 2 proposals for "The Roadster" -as we we're calling the project back then. Keith was exploring themes from 180 with new comer to our team, Adam Hatton, while Geoff and i were creating something different. Before summer holidays, we had 2 proposals nearly finished, main volumes and surfaces sorted. So i took a holiday for 2 weeks, sailing in Baltic. That's where i received the shattering news, Geoff had suddenly died! This was devastating news, and rest of the holiday i was quite philosophical, trying to gather strength to return to work, and work in full to finnish the car in Geoffs design intented spirit. So, that design became the chosen one, and Geoffs close friend, J flew to England, to look after us and our work. That time interior work was kicking off, Adam, Keith and i, went trough loads of proposals to finetune interior theme to match "machined", "straight out from milling machine workshop" -feeling. As you can imagine, there was huge amount of details to be designed, and it all had to be in spirit of the car, and components in harmony between each others, so it was a great team effort from all of us. And to keep the record straight, we had Jarno Lehtinen MA(RCA), at that time doing a summer placement in his RCA summer holiday period. And as you can see, team spirit and effort worked into most loved automobiles of all time. Unfortunately for Jaguar, we lost Geoff, and later Keith retired same time as i left the company.
...so what next from Jaguar? From now on, Ian Callum managed designs, pushing the brand to new era, to new dimensions. I'm looking forward to see the exciting results...!
...and i work as design consultant for Centro Stile Zagato, yes, recently known from great Zagato Astons..., and we'll see.... i personally would like to re-visit the F-type kind project, and make it happen, not just leave it un-done!
Kind regards, Pasi |
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| Aug 15 2003 01:08 | Ben Nykiel | United States | Engineer |
| should have a built in CB radio. A built in comer with wireless internet access and DVD player.IDEA:That folds out of the glove box. I think it also should have automatic sissor doors. The Jaguar car company has always been favorite and my opion will neverchange. |
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| Jul 23 2003 21:58 | Tina | Canada | student |
| the f type Jaguar is MINT. |
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| Jul 10 2003 18:03 | Michael F. Farr | United States | Construction |
| I'm stunned!!!! The F-type was one of the most beautiful cars I have ever seen. I think at a minimum it reveals the origianl E-Type if not surpassing it. The gracefull lines and puposful look was outstanding. Jaguar needs to bring back an "affordable" sports car rather than staying in the stratosphere with it's offerings. |
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| Jul 07 2003 23:10 | C W Camp | United States | |
| Profit,as always,is driving this decision.When Ford bought Jag it was not a benevolent act...Ford expects a payoff and that right soon.(for example,XK8/XKR priced where they are [as high as Ford/Jag dares to go])Hopefully,when the profit picture,translated core business,recovers we will see a glimmer of hope.Every year that goes by will see SLK,Z4 and Boxster plunder this market. |
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| Jun 13 2003 12:42 | Daniel | Belgium | |
I'm not sure my contribution will help in any way, but if serves to lobby Ford/Jaguar to cave in to the number of wannabe F-type owners, then it will have served its purpose.
The F-type project should be resumed!
It is a beautiful car and it makes all marketing sense. The only reason I can see for its production being cancelled is that the F-type would be occupying a more 'mainstream' class. This, apparently, is seen as something bad by the Ford/Jaguar management.
As to those who consider it blasphemous to be inspired by previous Jaguar models, I only have to say that the F-type is a mastery of design and a beautiful car of its own right. (I just have my personal reservations regarding those "ears" caused by, in my opinion, a bad [and unsafe] placement of the mirrors...)
As to the management policy, the F-type would, to my knowledge, be competing with the Porsche Boxster, BMW Z3 and Mercedes SLK series. If you see the money made by these three German companies - translated into the production of new models of the same series (e.g. BMW Z4 and Boxster S) - one fails to see how Jaguar could not be interested. Moreover, the F-type is such a stylish car with such a novel design, I'm fully convinced it would be a winner. It seems British and American manufacturers are more prone to give in to prejudices than their competitors. Yet the image of BMW, Mercedes or Porsche don't seem to have been affected at all by producing (and making bundles of money!) cars aimed at a "lower" market bracket.
(Oh, by the way, it appears that at least one American manufacturer started to make business sense: Chevrolet, with its new two-seater convertible, which shamelessly looks like a M SLK remake...)
I may be considered biased, as I am one of those disappointed buyers who had its reservation order cancelled, but I try to remain as objective as possible. And, in that context, I defy anyone to prove me that the F-type has not all the ingredients to be successful market-wise and still preserve (if not enhance) the image of Jaguar.
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| May 03 2003 14:02 | agnelo | Portugal | |
| If the real challange is to create a true 21st century sucessor to the E-Type Jaguar, designers must adopt german philosophy on the 911 Porsche (993), say, a deep re-styliing of the E-Type, not a new concept...and at least a 350 horse power V8 engine... |
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| Apr 17 2003 11:23 | Borges,Carlos Eduardo | Portugal | E-Type owner |
1 - Front of the concept car is magnificent.
2 - Rear fins are huggly
3 - New scretch : front head lamps huggly ; rear fins
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| Mar 21 2003 16:59 | karenda strevel 7th grade | United States | baby sit |
| these mustangs are cool Ide like you to send them to my email address karenda_strevel@yahoo.com. In the next few days. |
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| Mar 10 2003 04:14 | nicolas | Chile | student |
| Who saw the last bond movie clearly saw that the aston martin vanquish looked bigger and stronger, only because of its size, as you know, both cars have the same chevrolet engine, but now, Jag need a stronger, bigger, powerful car to shut up mouths and make astons look smaller. Jag need a non ford motor, just a big cat v12 and more than 612hp's !! |
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| Mar 10 2003 03:19 | Bruce | United States | |
| Finally......... a D-type I can afford!!! |
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| Feb 24 2003 22:25 | Bill | United States | student |
| Im still in High school and a long way away from getting a car, but if i ever were to chose a car that i could get this would be it. This car is the ultimate. If they make this baby, I will get it some how, some way. |
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| Jan 31 2003 23:21 | bart | United States | |
it stinks u should build them like the old models and what kind of engine does it have?
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| Jan 27 2003 17:28 | Alan | Canada | |
| The defferal of the production model f-type is a true step backward by Jaguar. The f-type was the first car Jaguar has shown that created a youth appeal. The f-type is young and sporty in its conceptual form, and creates a favourable attitude towards Jaguar in the younger population who has come to see Jaguar ownership as something to dread, to admit that they are old. Less exclusive than the XK8/XKR, the f-type promised to be a roadster bringing sport back to the mainstream Jaguar name while maintaining that name as synonomous with elegance in design. The defferal of this product shows a lack of commitment from Jaguar to revitalize the image which it attained through earlier years, the sporting image. Once again Jaguar is backing away from a true sports car, as they did when the exotic and much more expensive XJ220 was taken out of production after only a few years, this being another product that created a lusting amongst a younger group towards Jaguar ownership. |
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| Jan 19 2003 20:01 | Caleb Johnston | United States | Designer |
Few things in my life have I wanted more than a Jaguar F-type. Since I first laid eyes on the concept model, I have been totally fixed on buying my own. It's one of the few great desires I have in life.
I'm a 20 yr old American college student.
I've never owned a car before. I can't afford any Jag let alone an F-type. But if I had all the money in the world, I would buy the F-type over almost any other object. No other car offers the style, elegance, prestige and power in the same package like the F-type.
I am continually agrivated at this sad turn of events.
My only hope and prayer is that these circumstances will change and the F-type will (eventually) be fully realized. |
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| Jan 03 2003 13:34 | Jeff Watson | United Kingdom | Financial Advisor |
As taken from field of Dreams.
BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME. (buyers that is). |
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| Jan 02 2003 01:56 | Wesley | Hongkong | Finance |
| F-type is the most stunning car i've ever seen - not only because of the design but also the concept of building a cool sporty performance car under the Jaguar marque. It is the true identity of Jaguar to appeal all its fans around the world. Other than the luxury sedan as the XJ serier, the marque should have something like its competitors such as Porsche, Lotus and BMW (M3 and M5) which endorse with a number of "High Performance" renowned sport car models. E-type is the one of the legend in the history and it is believed that the F-type will bring back the unique image of Jaguar. I do believe the launch of the F-type will differentiate the special status of Jaguar in the industry which will in turn enhance the sales and popularity of the marque in the world. What a shame Ford has to postpone or even cancel this project. |
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| Dec 28 2002 22:50 | david jones | United States | SVP, Business Development |
Stupid decision. As a Brit living in the USA I think the car industry as a whole under-estimates time and time again the power of the 60s, icons and great traditional brands. MG is one example. The postponement of the F-type is another. I only hope Ford's management wake up and put the throttle down on getting the F-type fired up at all speed!!
The company will sell as many as they can make - if they want a role model, look what BMW have done with the Mini - people over here are queuing up for them.... |
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| Dec 26 2002 16:07 | IGNACIO PEREZ | Spain | STUDY |
| SOLO DECIR¡¡¡¡¡¡¡MI MADRE!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Dec 25 2002 20:10 | samuel | New Zealand | |
the jags are cool cars and i love them]
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| Dec 13 2002 02:44 | Mark Eaton | New Zealand | Engineer |
Perhaps it is best that they pulled the plug.
The XK180 concept was a stunner, the "new F type" had lost the plot. The XK180 was the only car I have seen that made me want to put a deposit down to buy.
What I don't understand is how Jaguar now hopes to lure younger buys into it's cars. The X-type is gutless, the S-type staggeringly ugly, the XK8 too bulky, and only one car in the range gives you a manual gearbox.
They should take a leaf out of Lotus's book. Keep It Simple, Stupid. I don't want to have to study the drivers manual to figure out which of the drivers aids to switch off.
I saw a new Hyundai the other day. A direct rip off of a Jag S-Type. I don't know whether Jaguar should feel honoured, or appalled (as I did), that a company with such a lack of design taste had decided to copy a Jaguar. That really told me that my beloved marque has been well off course.
My mission, should I wish to accept it, will be to build an XK180. I already have the V12 engine and number plate :o)
A cut down XJS should about do it ...
Perhaps the problem is a modern desire to reach a technical edge of perfection (ie Ferrari Enzo) but in doing so sadly deminishing both the attainability and the sensory pleasure of owning and driving a car (ie Ferrari Enzo - priced more than the GDP of most countries and butt ugly).
Perhaps Ford's problem is the opposite - trying to appeal to everybody with one compromise after another - and disappointing all. A bit like my designs. :(
At least do the GT40 in RHD please!
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| Dec 07 2002 04:38 | Tuff Mutha Jr | Australia | Legend |
Despite only just having seen the F-Type concept today, I am extremely disappointed at the turn of events. After feeling very blase about many sports, roadsters etc, here at last after 15 years of searching was a car that immediately excited and enthralled me.
Features like the cut of the windshield and the sideview "ears" just appeal immensely. If anything could be retained I would pray for it to be those.
The F-Type should make heads turn and jaws drop like competitors only wished they could. The Jaguar F-Type deserves its destiny. I don't know what to say about the "Ford-Type". |
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| Dec 01 2002 12:00 | Aldo Tonello | Italy | lawyer |
F-Type, the most beautifoul car dream i have ever seen. I don't understand why the develop was stopped. I was ready to give an account on the price till now!, I don't like any spyder as f-type so i will not buy any spyder like mercedes or bmw. it is schocking for me, i'll hope that Jaguar will develop "the dream" in reality.
... sorry for my english
an Italian f-type lover
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| Nov 28 2002 03:09 | Christian | United States | The Home Depot |
| Being a 1966 FHC E-Type owner The F-Type design, as shown here, is definetly the E-Type's predecessor. Even more so than the XK8. The F-Type design that has been shown to the public should not be changed. "Excellent lines and power!" |
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| Nov 25 2002 19:14 | an annonamous jag-lover | United Kingdom | - |
| I think the F-type looks great and should be as good as th e-type |
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| Nov 09 2002 02:44 | LA | United States | |
| I CAN WAIT TO GET MY HANDS ON THE STEERING WHEEL OF THIS JAG, I WENT TO THE CAR SHOW. IT HAS BEEN THE VEHICLE OF MY DREAM. I WOULD LOVE TO GET THE PRICE. AND THE DIFFRENT COLORS THE FTYPE WILL BE AVALILABLE IN. |
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| Oct 26 2002 15:36 | Vladimir | Latvia | stranger in Moscow |
3 August 2001
JAGUAR CARS MEXICO CELEBRATES THE LAUNCH OF THE NEW X-TYPE IN MEXICO CITY
Mexico City, Mexico, August 2nd, 2001 - Jaguar Cars Mexico celebrated tonight, the launch of the Jaguar X-Type in Mexico. Baroness Symons, Britain's International Trade and Investment Minister joined Jaguar Managing Director, Jonathan Browning, to unveil the new car. 17-Jun-02
JAGUAR SALES SUCCESS CONTINUES
Jaguar sales volumes continue to grow at an unparalleled rate, with May yet another record month for the premium car manufacturer.
Spearheaded by the X-TYPE, which accounted for more than half of the new Jaguars sold in May, sales soared globally by 50 per cent compared to last year. In the first five months of 2002, Jaguar sales totalled 56,994 cars – almost 70 per cent up on the equivalent period in 2001.
etc.
It's sad what is happening.
Just two words-economics' globalization |
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| Oct 23 2002 22:17 | Bob Cottrell | United States | Computer Consultant |
| I was crushed in the 70's when the E-Type disappeared. I had wanted one since the very first one I saw (and was ready to take the plunge mid-70's when the news came down). The original XKE circa 1965-1967 (HATED the 4-seater humped back look) was my favorite and I was glad to hear we'd finally see the F-Type. It was pricey but within reach in the 60's and 70's. Let BMW and Mercedes-Benz have the high priced end and give something to the rest of us who can't afford a Boxter and don't want a Z (sorry, never was much impressed by them after the 240Z). The F-Type could sell very well if designed and priced right. Don't let my dreams go down the drain AGAIN after almost 30 years! |
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| Oct 23 2002 02:34 | Xavier Rodriguez | United States | Teacher |
having seen and heard that Ford designed the F-Type to a mid-engine, similar to the boxer and disfigure the original desgins... perhaps it was better to simply to go back to the drawing board.
Using the original design. They should develop a shortened full aluminum chassis, similarly found the in the XJ and place in the 3.5L V8 engine in there, with both non and supercharged versions.
For the car to trully sell, Jaguar will have to put a powerful V8. even though the 3.0 was set to have more than 330hp in its supercharged version, but a v8 will be an easier sell, and with increased performance. |
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| Oct 13 2002 21:07 | Tom Johnson | United States | psychologist |
| I just spent some considerable time checking out the new Nissan 350Z. As a long time Jaguar loyalist it pains me big time that Ford/Jaguar can't come up with as great of affordable sports car as Renault/Nissan has. It is a true "drivers" car, something the auto shift dominated Jags don't have. The Z was gone for a while and now has come back very much better than before. That precedent bodes hope for the realization of an amazing F-Type! |
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| Oct 12 2002 20:21 | Rolf | Germany | |
Sorry, but the F-Type will never drive against Z3,
Z4, SLK or Boxster. I think, we can close this forum.
It was a sin to stop the F-Type an I don`t believe
that I ever see this wonderful car on the road.
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| Sep 25 2002 02:31 | Shane Jarvis | Australia | Civil Engineer |
I can't believe that Jaguar, or Ford, or whoever is responsible for making the decision to can the F Type, could actually make such a short sighted decision.
Here was the concept that would really re-establish Jaguar as a manufacurer of sporting vehicles in the modern market where Jaguar's reputation of sportiness and reliability have well and truly disappeared.
So a unique opportunity has been blown away by short sighted management. Now Jaguar will really have to do it the hard way to truly compete with BMW, Porsche and Mercedes, because in spite of what the PR clowns say, Jaguar still doesn't have the market acceptance that the 3 german companies do. And because of this decision to can the F Type, probably never will.
Good on you Ford. Now you've got the money to go build a new Taurus. What a winner.
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| Sep 10 2002 21:26 | Robert Atanasio | United States | Jaguar Sales Representative |
It would have been nice to compete against the Mercedes Benz SLK. It would have been terrific to go toe to toe against that ugly BMW Z3. And I would have loved to have made the Porsche Boxster look like an old used shoe. Now it looks like we will have to wait till 2005. Too bad. But I still look forward to the battle.
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| Sep 02 2002 05:13 | Kieran O'Shea | United States | Law Student |
| Hi there, what a bad decision by Jag. I have owned two Porsche's, including a Boxster, and was just waiting for a British equivalent available in the U.S. I was definetly going to put a deposit on a early production model, but now will probably buy German again (apparently BMW and Audi think market conditions are ripe for high end Roadsters). Anyway, I will consider the the new Aston Martin but I think it is over-priced for the performance, particularly when compared to the German cars. Jaguar really blew this one, or rather I should say that Ford is more interested in building 'pick-ups' and ugly cars than continuing to shepherd a premium brand! Shame!! |
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| Aug 30 2002 17:40 | william Heun | United States | |
| Iam the proud and happy owner of an XJ-8 and a 63 E-Type OTS and a past owner of several XKs. I was sad to see the cancellation of the F-Type. After seeing the S and X Types I will wager that the project that will take its place will be a chromed and leathered up Mustang that will be calles an F-Type. |
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| Aug 26 2002 18:30 | Heiko Woeste | Germany | Software Engineering |
Ohhhhh - what a nightmare for me.......
Jaguar was my first decision, but now?!
If you wanna do everything right don't stop the F-Type concept, but it depends on you to have a great future........
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| Aug 16 2002 22:00 | Vladimir | Latvia | vacant |
R.I.P. Jaguar
Sir Wiliam,forgive us,the blockheads.
I Nome Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti.Amen. |
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| Aug 16 2002 05:32 | Rob Hill | United States | Physicist |
So I guess Ford doesn't want internal competition with its GT-40? Far be it that Jaguar would produce a better looking vehicle.
OR could it be that the SUVs value as a status symbol cut into the demand for sports cars? I see other cars disappearing: Camaro/Firebird line (not to compare to the F type) while Porsche puts out a insidiously ugly SUV out. What are they thinking? Where is the sports cars market going?
If you pay attention, it seems nearly every car ad tried to incorporate the word "sports" into their pitch:
sport-compact
sports utility vehicle
sports sedan
...ect.
But what does it really mean? It means car makers change the definition of "sport" and sell whatever they feel like. Clearly this is the case with the F-type. I guess they've gone back to Ole' Henry Ford's attitude of "they can have whatever color they want-as long as it's black." Shameful that they don't listen to the customers. Bad business.
Hey, if anyone starts a petition for ther F-type, let me know!
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| Aug 15 2002 21:56 | Byron | United States | Scholar |
I attribute the delay in the production of the F-type to the lack of funding as would be provided by Ford. They are even now undergoing new lawsuits concerning their failed efforts in engineering sport utility vehicles. The Excursion has failed and they are stopping production. This is an automobile manufactuer that is once again experiencing financial difficulties. Let us not forget that Ford's priority is Ford, not Jaguar.
The production of the F-type would create a world wide sensation in motor cars not seen since the introduction of the XK120, which at the time was the fastest car in the world. If the F-type is only being delayed so be it. But if it is not manufactured how are we to forgive Jaguar Cars Ltd? I feel that the production of the F-type would be Jaguar's first attempt since the E to honour the principles of automotive engineering as upheld by Sir William Lyons. If the F-type is not produced I will be once and all convinced that the Jaguar Marque is dead. |
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| Aug 15 2002 16:38 | Mel Ewing | United States | Software Engineer |
| Like many others who have commented, my initial reaction to the F-Type concept was of delight. Someone finally hit the exact styling and design that I have been seeking for years. I have no interest in any other of the new Jaguar models (Love the old XKE's though) and was preparing for the purchase of an F-Type. I am extremely disappointed in the decision to cancel the F-Type, and am now looking at other competitors. I write in hopes that enough interest in the F-Type prototype will revive the project in its original form. |
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| Aug 15 2002 04:11 | Warren Hansen | United States | Design Consultant |
| Aside from an awkwardly placed adverb in the opening sentence and the incorrect use of the first person pronoun in the first sentence of the second paragraph (which do not speak well for the quality control of documents emanating from the office of the M.D.), it seems that Jaguar are saying that the response of enthusiasts to their product (as demonstrated in the form of orders accompanied by deposits)are not as valuable to the company as potential sales of cars directed at more of a mass audience. Perhaps good strategy for the bottom line, but perhaps not good for the continued perception of the marque as one with unique cachet and desirability. (Too bad that can't be quantified as a line item in the financial reports.) Just try to imagine the company without the E-Type in its history! The irony here is that Sir William was always counting the pence, but somehow made them look like guineas. Now the current management are doing the same thing, but have lost the magic. |
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| Aug 13 2002 02:11 | Gary Soward | United States | |
My wife and I delayed purchase of a new S Type in hopes of acquiring an F Type.
If Jaguar is the type of company that cancels a model after announcing it's production then I'm not sure I'm interested in doing business with them any more.
We've had 13 Jaguars over the years.
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| Aug 12 2002 17:16 | Andrew King | Canada | |
So Jaguar, under FoMoCo, does not have the resource to develop the F-TYPE while Ford develops its GT40?
I don't think Ford is doing anything good for Jaguar except increasing sales. Look at the X-TYPE and the S-TYPE: they are always near the bottom in comparison test in major US car mags. At the same time, although the new XJ is supposed to be "super high-tech," its styling, seems to me, is already ten years old. And indeed we have the failing F1.
What's worse is that Jaguar is canning the F-TYPE and possibly the R version of the X-TYPE.
My recommendation: Ford should stop cost-cutting in its luxury brand, and build cars with the design, performance, and quality like Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Audi, and even VW. That means no more shared platforms and engine outside Jaguar, no more cheap plastics in lesser models etc etc. Also, design Jaguar as future machines and don't recycle old designs. (BTW, the R-coupe concept was still the best new Jaguar design. It is very traditional, yet very futuristic.) |
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| Aug 12 2002 17:16 | Michael Chowaniec | Germany | Mechanical Engineer |
| I am very sad about the decision to stop the F-Type program. I was looking forward to a real Sports car. Light, strong, hard and honest. So my next car might be a Lotus. Sorry. |
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| Aug 12 2002 15:28 | Henryk Kramek | United States | |
| As an owner of an XK8 and an X Type I was looking forward to adding a F Type. I believe it would attract a significant number of new customers. In addition it would be bring a sports car which is currently lacking in the lineup. Delaying the car will result in the competition being in their third generation by the time the F type is introduced. These iterations will have produced a more refined product and captured clients that could have been attracted to Jaguar. Perhaps a limited edition could be considered to keep the car in the public mind. |
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| Aug 12 2002 15:20 | Rick Allison | United States | |
Following the F-Type's unveiling at the 2000 Detrioit Auto Show, Ford Motor Co. chief Jacques Nasser was asked what could prevent the automaker from producing the sleek roadster. "Stupidity," was his reply.
Looks to me like Bill Ford and the folks at Ford's PAG must have plenty to spare. How sad.
He whines that Americans no longer 'love' cars. Sorry, Bill; it's just that we don't love Fords. The original F-Type concept inspired the kind of widespread rabid desire he says he wants his products to induce. Well, Mr. Ford, produce the F-Type and make it look as much like the original concept as possible and you can be sure we'll love it. |
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| Aug 12 2002 09:20 | Jeremy Channon | United Kingdom | Solicitor |
Nice letter from Beasley
Unfortunately it read to me: "Blah Blah Blah....we're useless.......blah de blah.........more excuses........blah blah........damp squib"
Some interesting quotes:
"We have therefore taken the decision to put the F-TYPE programme on hold and to put the additional focus on our core model lines for the time being." -
translates to -
"we're trying to do Diesel but unfortunately our current units seem a trifle thirsty which kind of defeats the object"
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"F-TYPE is a great product and it is a programme we want to pursue but only when more pressing priorities allow."
translates to -
"We're much happier throwing money into Formula 1 to fail to successfully promote the type of cars we're not going to make"
Great.
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| Aug 09 2002 22:40 | Winston Harris | United States | Mechanical Engineer |
| As an E-Type owner, glancing at the F-Type proto-type was the first time in a years I was excited at the prospect of going out to by a new car. I am not surprised at Ford's intervention into the developement of a great car. In the 60's and 70's when the rest of the world was trying to model their styling and design after cars like the 'E', Ford was buisy producing the mustang; a car that despite the 40 somethings' attempt to regain their youth, never fetches more than 20K in pristine condition at an auto show. Ford's lack of foresight certainly has a precedent! |
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| Aug 07 2002 19:27 | Thomas Karimpanal | United States | Engineer |
Ford once again displays it's lack of business sense and timing and more so, stupidity! First they restyle a classy, characteristic Jaguar design then they call off the production plans.
The Jaguar roadster was one of the most brilliant ideas ..it's original 2000 styling ..was one of the best ever. This was one car that was followed up by eager Jaguar fans..hence potential customers right from it's inception.
If Honda can sell their S2000 in a market dominated by BMW-Z3 and Porsche Boxter...why is Ford holding back on a Jaguar Roadster?? |
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| Aug 06 2002 08:05 | R. Schmitz | Germany | |
The concept car-design:WHOW! It blows me off my shoes. Everybody at our company was delighted to see it.
We thought of ordering 3 cars at once. But with the new design we will not by at least one!
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| Jun 20 2002 02:08 | hector v barrientos-bullock | United States | student |
I for one am very disappointed about the cancellation. I am not happy with the design of the XK8/R ( the design is large, bulbous, topheavy, and disgusting!) and was hoping that the F-type would change my view of the new "Forduar's" (excepting the XJR) but of course the Ford influence of the "Bottom Line" will keep me from being able to compete with my girlfriend's soon to be purchased Honda S2000.
Nice job Ford, looks like your going to bring Jaguar down with you, you should have just let GM buy Jaguar. At least then they would still commandeer some respect.
not become the joke that Ford is.
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| Jun 19 2002 15:04 | David W. Heiman | United States | Consultant |
| The original design is simply gorgeous. Wow. I sincerely hope that you do build it as close to that origignal design as possible. |
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| Jun 19 2002 13:25 | Shane Jarvis | Australia | Civil Engineer |
How unbelievably stupid of Ford to can the F Type. Only the truly gullible would believe that it is "postponed".
But I digress, Other manufacturers are doing quite well with their open 2 seater/convertible products, yet Ford doesn't think the model will pay its way. Perhaps this is because the F Type is totally unique. Of course this is pure speculation but a bit of Engineering (bit!) should find a solution to make the car economically viable. Perhaps the problem is in the market research conducted to test the financial viability of the car is flawed. I don't know. But it seems to me that the car would/has attracted considerable interest.
Then again, perhaps the car was canned becauase Bill Ford got a bee in his bonnet and wants to shed Jaguar of anything to do with Jac Nasser.
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| Jun 18 2002 02:45 | Kelly | United States | |
| Seeing new products like the S-type R is great but whats happining to jaguar new found commitment to performance. What could be more exciting than the F-type for jag enthusiests? The XKR is an awsome vehicle but it's not a true sports car. What roadster out of Germany could compete with a car thats looks even remotely like the F concept? Come on ford, wake up this is a very viable market. Get jag back to it's roots. |
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| Jun 16 2002 12:50 | Alan Wilson | Canada | Animator |
To whom it may condern, you produce this model I will buy one. I owned a MK11 many years ago when I was younger. Loved the car to young to keep it. But make this car And I want one. Are there any blueprint data sheets available?
Cheers,
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| Jun 14 2002 17:34 | simon turner | United Kingdom | |
| Jaguar must build this car and build it as the original drawings show! it's beautiful! It embodies everything that its names heritage suggests it should. The c type, d type and e type are all stunning cars even now, being only 23 i can only imagine how impressive they were in there hay day! None of these cars are 'big' cars, don't misunderstand me they aren't small but for the purposes of having a blast along roads where you should ie twisty testing roads, they are perfect in every dimension. I love the xk8 but its not a real drivers car its a cruiser a cruiser with real style but bodily its too big to really start hauling through the most testing of routes. Jaguar really need to fill this gap. Like all british manufacturers this is what we do best! We do sports cars! Raw sports cars! TVR is the best example, medium sized, torque driven beauties perfectly balanced! Like the austin healey in all it's guises, the triumph stag the startling e type. Jaguar may well be owned by ford but they are and always will be british and have lacked this kind of car for too long. When i saw the xk180 i couldn't take my eyes off it and couldn't understand the lack of desire to build it, this f type is so close to perfect it must be built and jaguar will have the world at its feet! As i say i may only be 23 but i'm already working out how i can buy an f type if and when it arrives in the show room and i already know if i get one i will never ever sell it! i can only hope it is affordable to those who really want it not just those who can afford it another point of jaguars heritage which is too often ignored. In respect to one gentlemans comments 'barbies' don't buy jaguars they don't have the right image, thank god himself!! |
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| Jun 11 2002 10:41 | raja sandow | Malaysia | associate engineer |
Dear Sir,I wish the new jaguar will earn back the credits of being one of the best cars the world will ever know! Please beat the Germans/Italians in design,performance and reliabilities.I am a lover of Jaguar cars from young.I am very dissappointed whenever Jaguar cars are compared to the Germans and Italian cars.What a disgrace for a prestige car like Jaguar.Do something about this in the future for Jaguar
cars.Thank you. |
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| Jun 07 2002 22:19 | winston | United States | |
| As an owner of XK8, I for one am glad that the F-type has been cancelled. From the ridiculous letter choice "F for FORD!" type to the obvious target audience of Porsche Boxter and Mercedes SLK owners, I hate everything about this go-cart intended for rich barbie girls. Like the present X-type and S-type saloons, the F-type will only cheapen the Jaguar exclusivity. I guess eventually, Jaguar will become an upscale Mercury brand with Ford car-parts. The days for Jaguar glory are numbered. |
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| Jun 04 2002 22:20 | Michael Kainbacher | Germany | Pilot |
Mr. Reitzle is gone..
And now the F-Type too?!?
Ford shame on you! |
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| Jun 01 2002 05:44 | Randy Wise | United States | business owner |
| No question the XK-180 is definitely the one I was attracted to. It is a fantastic retro recreation of the E-Type. I have decided to buy the XK-180 if it was produced. I saw the newer design at the LA Auto show and would not buy that. Too vanilla. Hopefully you'll learn from the PT-Cruiser. They took a chance and won big. |
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| May 31 2002 04:10 | nelson j stewart | Canada | musician |
| When I first saw the prototype of the F-type I, like the rest of you, fell in love. Here was one of the most beautiful cars ever designed, and best of all, it had English heritage. While I was disappointed with the so-called "refinements" for the production model (why can't people leave well enough alone?), I was still prepared to wait a few years until the F-type went on sale. Now, however, I think I will have to go German after all. By the way, all of you gentlemen thinking about Boxsters or Z3s may want to check out the Audi TT first. What was Jaguar thinking? |
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| May 31 2002 03:02 | simon lindsay | New Zealand | manager |
| The original is the one! Apart from the deeply recessed taillights which look uncomfortable. I would have thought the time was never more ripe to get this into production. |
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| May 25 2002 23:42 | Ginger Corda | United States | |
How disappointing. We'll always wonder what could have been. How many years do we have to wait for a worthy successor to the beautiful E-type (introduced over 40 years ago)? Guess it can't be done. Those days are gone.
Small minded, short-sighted - shouldn't have baited us for so long!!! |
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| May 25 2002 22:36 | pascal Gademer | United States | |
What a Shame !
The F-type was an exciting car which would have enhanced Jaguar's image of style and performance. With the right amount of power, it could have really blown the german competition... The XK is a great GT, I love my XKR but a smaller roadster would have been fun !
Hard to understand this decision considering how strongly Jaguars execs seemed to believe in the project... "we'd be mistaken not build it" ? or was that "foolish" or maybe "stupid". yes definitely ...
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| May 24 2002 21:51 | Mark Loomis | United States | |
| Don't overthink the design. The F-type concept was dead on. I expect supreme performance from this beast. The mechanicals need to look and sound the part in tribute to the E-type. Boxsters will run and hide when in the presence of the F-type. Make sure this "interesting mechanical device" appears correct when sitting in Sir William's circular drive. My checkbook is waiting....get on with it!! |
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| May 08 2002 23:00 | James | United Kingdom | retail |
The F-type looks the part - stick to the concept as much as possible - although I prefer the front lights of the XK180 concept car.
I would suggest a 3.5 Ltr V8 or V12. 0-60 should be around the 5sec mark.
A 4wdr option is a must.
Retractable hard top should be able to be put up/down electronically at a reasonable speed.
Price should be less than the Porsche boxter; performance of the basic model should out perform the boxter "s", up rated models should be comparable with TVR performance (but obviously be more reliable). With a light simple car and a big engine this should be easy enough!
You should be aiming to give both Porsche and Audi a good hammering in terms of market share. You need to get the car out ASAP and it will do wonders for Jaguar’s brand name – which has suffered at the hands of BMW in the saloon market, and which vacated the sports car market with the demise of the E-type. Performance and handling are the measures that the upper end of the market is judged by as well as name\image and you need at least one car which has firm suspension rather than the soft /wallowy characteristics normally associated with Jaguar chassis’s (and incidentally why most people would buy a BMW instead of a Jag saloon!). Get the F-Type out quickly and if it does the above you should gain significant market share.
By the way - does the last guy mean s-type rather than x-type? Whoever cut the back off the s-type needs their backside kicking - it should have been more rounded and longer like an XK150 or Mk2 – the boot spoils what could have been a truly beautiful design!
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| May 08 2002 17:01 | Serge Demyanenko | United States | |
I have owned or leased 60+ cars. I have never considered a Jaguar. They were, in my mind, pretty cars with lousy engineering, designed for rich and fat boulevardiers. The F-type, however, if you don't screw it up by vanillaizing it is of great interest to me. Just based on the Car and Driver photos my wife and I cannot wait for its realization. Just don't push the price to the vicinity of a Porsche 911 for only a moron would buy a Jag for the same price. The F-type design looks fresh and exciting. I understand that the windshield will have to become more conventional. But don't touch the wheels or anything else and by 2005 you can add a first-time Jaguar buyer who has owned nothing but Porsches, BMW's and Mercedes (with an occasional Alfa or even Corvette thrown in.)
Why would you design an X Type with a beautiful front end and a stupid Ford-looking type rear? And then install powerful engines which don't move the car worth a damn? The X type would have peaked my interest if you would have put a better designed rear on it and your engineering wouldn't have been as lousy. Now take a look at who is buying your X Types. You missed the boat on that one, don't screw up the F-type too. Stick to the concept car as much as possible. |
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| May 08 2002 06:16 | Tom C. Johnson | United States | Psychologist |
| I just read in Jaguar World Monthly that the production of the F-Type is now in doubt. This is terrible news to me, I was planning a move from my Corvette to the F-Type to have an all Jaguar garage. Now its save more for an XJR. Maybe Jaguar could put a 6 speed manual in it for those of us who think an automatic is oxymoronic to the idea of "performance sports car" I love your web! Tom C. Johnson |
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| May 08 2002 06:15 | Tom C. Johnson | United States | Psychologist |
| I just read in Jaguar World Monthly that the production of the F-Type is now in doubt. This is terrible news to me, I was planning a move from my Corvette to the F-Type to have an all Jaguar garage. Now its save more for an XJR. Maybe Jaguar could put a 6 speed manual in it for those of us who think an automatic is oxymoronic to the idea of "performance sports car" I love your wed! Tom C. Johnson |
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| May 03 2002 03:43 | Paul Tibbs | United Kingdom | |
Obviously putting this car into production will necessitate some changes to the original concept,but in order to be a success the body styling should be completely left alone. Any softening will ruin a near perfect design and make the difference between a stunning vehicle and an ordinary one.
(Compare the excellent Porsche Boxter Concept with the Boxter that actually went into production and you'll see what I mean!)
Leave the styling alone, give it plenty of power and develop a suspension that offers superb handling without too many electronics detracting from the driving experience.
If 'Jaguar' do all that they will truly have a class leading car.
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| May 01 2002 16:41 | Theo Decker | Germany | |
Please delete this horrible comment fom March 19.
I hope the F-Type will come, but i've heared that it will be a mid-engine car. Is it true? |
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| Apr 29 2002 21:44 | Tony | United States | |
| The original e type had enough power to compete with Corvettes and Ferraris. If this car is Boxster slow it will only reinforce Jagurs image as a posers car rather than the drivers car it was in the 60s. 0 to 100 mph needs to be under 12 seconds to compete and it needs to have this speed upon release not several models later. |
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| Apr 24 2002 16:36 | Tony | United Kingdom | Senior IT Consultant |
In view off the current news circulating autocar (uk magazine) and with Reitzle leaving the PAG group i just hope that they decide to build the F type.
I put a deposit down last March (2001) as i knew they would be in demand.
I feel a bit down as the F type ought to be seen testing by now as like the new Aston Martin DB5.
I love the design that hit the Detroit Show and I loev the aluminium interior I hope they give it a folding metal roof ala SLK.
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| Apr 19 2002 19:22 | rob hill | United States | Physicist/USAF |
This is quite possibly on of the coolest designs I have seen to date. Thumbs Up! You people really did well on the fighter plane look-most evident in cockpit design and tail lenses.
Please take this as a compliment from a person who went to Purdue with aspirations of becoming an aerospace engineer, and designing fine cars as you do.
[I only wish mechanical designs were as well thought out as the form of the car]:). Seriously, please pull in some real life honest-to-goodness mechanics and ask them what they think. Although they are blue collar workers, their vetran experience and opinion is just as important-if not more so-than any hot rod high dollar engineer. They will be able to tell you where things typically go wrong and will try to offer good isolutions on practicality (so you don't have to do things like jack up the car to change the spark plug). Take it from a guy who grew up twisting wrenches with his dad: you can learn alot if you have engineers working with vetran mechanics.
As an example, I've heard many things about older Jags getting hot-high performance-go figure. Simple solution (like on the XJS): open up a window between the firewall and the rain gutter-high enough to let hot air out,but not to let water drain into the compartment. As the car picks up in speed, you could take advantage of the venturi effect and suck out some of the hot air.
I am not sure how I feel about the look of the mirrors, but it looks functional in aero-terms.
Any designs on roll bars? It would be nice to know that the car is crash worthy.
How about the convertible top? Always thought it would be cool to have sort of a high-precision "Armadillo shell" teflon shell type top. It would sort of curl in on itself like an (armadillo or potato bug) as it retracted. I envision that under the (black)teflon would be a water repellant seal with a drain hose(just in case). No one has built one of these to date-be innovative! Your Jaguar, your allowed to do that.
Advantages to this top design:
1. More robust/less noise
2. Can't tear
3. Can't leak
4. Better aero-flow.
5. Theives can't knife their way in-happened to a friend.
Hope the feedback helps!
Cheers,
Rob
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| Apr 17 2002 22:15 | Jeremy | United States | |
| Beautiful Car. Hope I can afford one when the time comes. Lose the 5 spoke concept though. |
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| Apr 08 2002 08:13 | Michael Kainbacher | Germany | Pilot |
I´ve already ordered one in march 2001...
- put in a V 8
- put in a start button
- and build it quickly
that´s all. |
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| Apr 07 2002 08:29 | TOM | Germany | |
| the new etype as up to now is a true masterpiece ! If anybody knows a link to technical drawings or blueprints of this jewel please let me know !! |
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| Apr 07 2002 00:55 | Shannon Sentman | United States | Student of Law |
Beautiful concept, but stay Jag. In order to stay in the price range their talking it seems mass produced Ford parts will be required, not what an Jag. enthusiast wants. The round tail lights are definitely key as well. 300 horsepower or bust, I guess that comes in the later R version though.
This car is now at the top of my list when I graduate. Reasonable price, beautiful design, lets see the final product though. |
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| Apr 05 2002 14:37 | Jeff Freed | United States | engineer (automotive) |
| Absolutely awesome - sign me up. Lose the V6 though - go inline 6 or V8! |
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| Apr 05 2002 00:30 | A.Lamarca | United States | Jaguar sales |
First and most important, if Jaguar is going to use a platform or any other part from any Ford product any where in the world, I guarranty it will ultimately fail.
Look at both Lincoln and Cadillac, and they are slowly
fading away. Both Mercedes and BMW have kept a more purist approach, and they have also begun to bury Lincoln and Cadillac in their own market.
The S-Type has already begun to slip because of its common platform with the much cheaper Lincoln L.S.
Consumers spending top dollar for an exotic, exclusive, luxury import car do not want their car mentioned in the same breath with Ford Mondeo, or any
thing else from anywhere else.
All materials used inside and out have to be of higher quality than what you would see in any other car as well. The S-Type is now getting what it originally should have had. The X-Type now needs it.
Lastly, BMW has the right idea when it comes to sports car handling, don't forget how important weight distribution is. |
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| Mar 31 2002 10:20 | Susan MacKenzie | United States | Jag Lover |
You should check the comments! I think the comment from March the 19th is disgusting!!!
Why are these comments made public anyway! |
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| Mar 25 2002 19:53 | Gio Consolati | Italy | Design Student |
Simply FANTASTIC...
I have not other words |
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| Mar 24 2002 20:23 | John Cupp | United States | Manager of Metal Service Cente |
| Please don'tcomplicate the wheel group....The 5 spoke concept...like Ferrari is the way to go with the wheel-wells filled up. Chrysler found success with this and so will you...Some by the wheels first and build the car around them. |
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| Mar 14 2002 22:41 | Saleem Khalid | United Kingdom | |
| Please give it a hard top, some interesting paint options, lots of power, and the sort of safety and driving technology that comes in a Mercedes. Thanks! |
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| Mar 12 2002 22:54 | Bryce and Brandon Shriver | United States | Engineer |
The F-Type looks promising. I especially like the Spartan interior, and round tail lights. And of course the front end on the concept is pure Jaguar.
Keep up the good work... Hopefully this car will be all that it is expected to be. |
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| Mar 11 2002 23:57 | Paul Vrancken | Belize | |
Marvellous design!
But, please stay by the first design of the back with the round taillamps !
Kind regards,
Paul Vrancken |
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| Feb 27 2002 02:21 | john harleman | United States | gm |
i am sorry that the rear end isn't more like the series 1 e-type. it's the prettiest i've seen. bmw did a superb job of copying it with it's z8 and proving some nice relief from the oversized taillights on today's cars. the prototype's rear end uses the round headlights that are reminiscent of the pre-74 bmw 2002. cheers - john
ps - the toggle's should be below the gauges, much handier there where i use them in the e |
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| Feb 22 2002 18:03 | Thor Thingbo | Norway | Lawyer |
Dear Jaguar stylists, you have one of the most attractive and important positions in the globe (at least when we leave a few other important issues beside) The consept car is a beauty! Keep it simple and dont let the rear get to low (the section between pipes), we dont buy this car to transport anything but two with a toothbrush, just like the E-type. So don't make the rear look like an Aston from the seventies with rear styling that didn't match rest of the car. I'll be waiting in patience for a car that my 76 years old dad will find worthy of joining his E-type (about time for both Jaguar and him!) But youre on to it, just keep it plain and simple.
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| Feb 20 2002 23:02 | Lance Weekley | United States | pilot |
The pictures in the 2001 press pack are a bit much for my taste. The concept car shown in 2000 is just what I'm looking for. I know that the side windows would be impractical but I don't care. I want them anyway. Personally, I'd take a toneau cover over a top!
Don't tone it down! Build it like the show car and I'll gladly get in line with my money.
Lance Weekley |
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| Feb 18 2002 10:15 | raja sandow | Malaysia | associate engineer |
| Dear Sir,please follow the Germans and Italians for world beating designs and concepts.Their reliabilities,performance and beautiful looks are far ahead then Jaguars.I am a Jaguar lover from young,but I am dissappointed with Jaguars failures whenever a new model is out.Change the shape a bit and update the features inside the car.Keep it a futuristic taste and be looking as the greatest model for Jaguar ever produced.The world must know...no one can beat the Jaguar in any area!I wish you great success in all your plans for Jaguar Cars.May God Bless Jaguar Cars Forever.Thank you.Raja Sandow. |
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| Feb 17 2002 17:46 | Andreas Eklund | Sweden | |
| I like the exterior but think that the interior has to be redesigned! |
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| Feb 06 2002 11:08 | Olivier Jason | South Africa | Engineeer |
| The original concept did it for me. It captured the spirit of the E-type with great modern styling. The latest concept looks like a mix of "common" sports cars already available (boxter, Z3).The slitty tail lights are not Jaguar. A SLK type roof is indispensable. Look forward to the final product |
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| Feb 03 2002 03:04 | jim | United States | |
| it doesnt look safe if u get into a crash and has a weird shape. |
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| Jan 31 2002 18:14 | Randy Lyons | Canada | Sales |
| One of the most sensuous cars I have ever seen. I look forward to figuring out how I will pay for this one. |
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| Jan 25 2002 12:52 | Sam | United Kingdom | |
| Jaguar, for god's sake don't fall for the current obssession with shapeless headlights stretched all the way up the bonnet. They may look good now, but what about 10 years time? Keep to your classic proportions and go with the original XK180/F-Type design. I for one will look forward to it's release. |
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| Jan 24 2002 13:57 | Dr. Norbert Linn | Germany | Jag-lover |
| It looks just great, I already ordered one. I would appreciate regular information from Jaguar. I need to decide to either keep my car until I get the F-Type or buy me something else inbetween. |
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| Jan 20 2002 16:55 | Jonathan Farrugia | Malta | Pharmacist |
| I was able to compare the pictures of Ftype concept model with those that were given to the press in 2001. What I can say is that there needs to be more than just a hint of futuristic design. After all, the car will be officially for sale in 2005. I prefer that Jaguar adopts design ideas as emblazoned in the latest in the latest F-type. I mean no dis-respect for conservative jaguar fans but this is the way forward. |
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| Jan 14 2002 00:26 | Ryan Robinson | United States | unknown |
| I have to agree with Mr. Miller's statement about going retro. I was an owner of an 83 xjs v12 he and now an owner of an 86 xj6 vanden plas. Don't try to make it look futuristic or a slight change from a model already in production. Go back in time, look over the old model, and make slight improvements. Your ford now right? Well, somewhat. How about doing to the jag what you did with the thunderbird. Then again, wasn't the very first thunderbird modeled after the jag, haha. Again, go retro like Mr. Miller said. |
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| Jan 08 2002 14:17 | S.Hönig | Germany | |
Hallo. I would be really sorry if Jaguar would change the look of the f-type. I think the design of the concept car ist nearly perfect. Individual. It looks british what a jaguar should do. The pictures of the "new design" are typically modern, not very individual because the back looks nearly the same as the BMW Z8. And , the new design doesnt make me remembering the legendary e-type, which the concept f-type really does. Hope the F-type will start as he was.
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| Jan 04 2002 13:33 | guru | India | diploma student |
dear sir,
i am diploma students i want more details about the rapid proto type(basic introduction)
thanking you,
your faithfully,
m. guru . |
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| Jan 02 2002 07:52 | Jack Miller | United States | Business man |
As an owner of many Jaguars in my time and the owner of 5 right now, I just want to make a small suggestion.
What I saw at the auto show and in these photos is not what a purist would call an "F" Type.
It is a take off on the XK 8 made sporty.
If you are trying to go to next phase "E-Type" do it like so many other car companies are doing, go retro!
Take the E-type and advance it to the future with the feeling and look of the 60's Jaguar.
Take that Yuppie look away!
Now that would be the "F-TYPE" we have been waiting for !
Go to a spiritualist and ask the spirit of Sir William.
Good Luck,
Jack Miller
1953 XK 120 DHC
1963 MK 2
1967 E-Type OTS
1986 XJ6 Series 3
1990 XJS OTS
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| Dec 27 2001 17:47 | jose a. barea del toro | Spain | investments |
The parasol it should have a mecanism so when the sun it is on the left hand side molesting half of the head of the driver /generally the back part, ear and neck, because de parasol once it is situated to stop the sun coming trough the window it is not long enough to cover that part of the head, then the mecanism it should permit moving the parasol towards the back of the head to cover that part.
This is specially usufull in hot countries
Hope I have been usufull to you. I own an old Jaguarv12
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| Dec 22 2001 13:37 | Danish Rahi | United States | Designer |
| x and F type is a nice way to go for Jag, to be competitive with BMW n Merc entry level market, but at the same time Jag MUST NOT forget its reputation, cause what makes it a Jag is its tradition, "price", and availability. U dont see that many Jags on road as BMW etc, which is a plus. The Ford influence will get Jag more buyers wich will spoil its image. (There will be a lot more people driving Jags but it will no longer be a real Jag.) I urge Jag that X Type, is already on the edge, so lets not push it to hard. Jags high price and unique style must stay the way it is, in order to stay above BMW n Merc etc. |
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| Dec 21 2001 14:28 | fergal grimes | Ireland | airline pilot |
I've owned my beloved Z3 for 4 years now, and eventhough I'm in no great hurry to sell it, I've been on the lookout for a possible replacement but there's nothing out there that grabs my attention. Until now.
SLK's are bland, the boxter is "nice"(but who wants a nice sportscar),another Z3 would probably be sensible but I'd like a change.TVRs are lovely, but have their drawbacks, especially in a country where there is no official dealer. I've always loved jags, so hey presto, they're going to produce one that fits me perfectly!
But....
Ensure the roof is simple and ergonomic, as per the Z3
or even the SLK and not an afterthough like the elise-we expect more nowadays and;
ensure the base model price is competitive. Bigger engines and souped up models have there place, but don't forget who your target buyers are i.e. people like me who previosly would not have considered a new jag because of price.... otherwise I might just buy a used XK8. |
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| Dec 17 2001 13:43 | Nick Neureuter | United States | Engineer |
| OK, so the latest issue of Road&Track has a sketch of what the latest idea for the F-type. What I'm wondering about - according to the short blurb, they put the engine at the wrong end! I still think they should put the engine up front, driving the rear wheels, big (3.0L) V-6. If a rear engine means the F would get a proprietary chassis, as opposed to a front engine common chassis, I might go for that, but if the F ends up with a common chassis, rear engine, and the "me too" styling of the last set of sketches, it would be a big disappointment. R version could be supercharged, maybe 4WD. Keep the weight 50/50 or so, with decent power/weight. If someone wants it to be a 4.0 sec supercar, they can go buy a used XJ220. (although for a rear engine car, it does look pretty good.) And don't forget the FHC version. |
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| Dec 13 2001 11:27 | Julian Dare | Australia | |
| I'd like to see the production F-Type mirror the original concept as closely as possible. This is the only affordable convertible I'd consider more attractive than the Boxster. Personally, the follow-up sketches are predicatable and bland. The XK8 is great looking from the front, but the rear overhang appears far too large. If the F-Type concept goes into production as-is, it has potential to be the first modern,flawless Jag. |
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| Dec 12 2001 03:41 | Walt | United States | Graphic Designer |
| Come on guys! This site is getting stale. Nothing new in almost a year. Am I to infer that zip has happened on the project or are updates just not making here to the "official F-type" site? You've got us salivating, time to throw a few more bones. |
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| Dec 11 2001 16:16 | Steve Warburton | United States | Electronics Engineer |
I loved the syling of the F-Type concept when I saw it at the Detoit Auto Show and hope the production model is just as good looking.
My only concern is that at 6' 4" I wonder if I'll ever fit in one. Peter Wheeler of TVR (also 6' plus) is the only guy I know that makes sure six footers have a decent sports car to drive.
Please please please Jaguar make the F-Type so I can drive it! |
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| Dec 04 2001 23:46 | James Romero | United States | No se!!!!!! |
I believe it is just a car.............. just like every other ones. I could see if it was futurestic and then it would be something i would be in love with....
To all the hot babes,
James. |
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| Dec 04 2001 07:44 | Marty Novak | United States | Chemical Engineer |
I fell in love with Jaguar sport cars before I could drive and one of my goals in life is to one day obtain a "D" for vintage racing. I love the panache of the old Listers. Then I was heart-broken when the XK-220 was not imported to the States as well as at it's price tag. The XK-8 couldn't quite move me, and seemed a move more towards the Porsche 928 than the sports car my soul craved.
Now Jaguar has an opportunity to create a modern successor to the "C", "D", and "E", and in my opinion the styling of the original concept "F" and even the XK-180 better reflect what I consider a sports car than the more recent renderings, which remind me more of a Mitsubishi Eclipse than a true Jaguar.
If Jaguar builds this car correctly, I will buy one. But I want a car my grandchildren will fight over when I pass on. The car should be raceable with minor modification, providing rapid acceleration and large cooled brakes and with plenty of horsepower without making the engine fragile. The handling must be excellent and I would hope 1g lateral acceleration could be achieved. The car MUST be available with a manual gearbox, preferably a 6-speed.
I prefer classic, functional styling to glitzy walnut veneer that peels the first time it gets wet. At the same time, this is an opportunity to take Jaguar firmly into the 21st century rather than recall the good old days as some manufacturers have with their "retro" styling. The car should look like a cat shark on the prowl for prey. And it should be durable so my grandchildren have the opportunity to fight over it, for I intend to be around for some time to come.
Please don't make this car an orthodonist's girlfriend's trophy. |
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| Nov 30 2001 02:42 | matt strauss | United States | |
| I love Jaguars! I used to work at a car dealer that sold many Jags and I had the opertunity to drive all of them. Out of all the cars at the dealer, bmw, mercedez, audi, porche, etc... I liked the Jaguar cars the best. I do have a few ideas that I would definitly think about if I was a designer for Jaguars. I think they should make an SUV, not a weird looking car like the escalade or anything, but down to earth look, maybe about the size of a range rover or something. Another idea I would consider is to look for ways to lower the price on Jaguar cars. It seems like only the rich can afford them, and most people just dream about getting one. They should come out with a new make that everyone could buy, something that people just don't dream about owning. Those are the only idea's I could suggest otherwise I think Jaguar's are the best car's out there. |
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| Nov 26 2001 04:24 | Tyrrel | Canada | self employed |
The artists conceptual drawings of the lastest version as shown on the Jag lovers F-Type page, suggest that there may be a movement to the BMW Z8 style, which would be unfortunate. Initially I had a deposit on the Z8, but when I saw it in its final version I bought a Jag instead. The proportions of the 2000 concept version and of course the XK 180, are ideal. Please do not go with the ribbon tail lights and the slanted elliptical head lamps as they may appear modern but they will date quickly and are not in keeping with classic Jaguar styling. I prefer the tail pipes at each side rather than centered as it make the cat look wider, and I hope that the original windshield makes it through in some version, as it has been part of the allure. I concur with other comments regarding the hood louvres (a MUST), performance (0-60mph in 5-6 sec.), and transmission (6 speed manual). I hope that an R version will be available and introduced concurrently with the regular model. I would be annoyed to have purchased an introductery F-Type only to discover that an R version is to be introduced the next year!
PS I've had deposit at the dealership since the XK180 was introduced at the North American Auto show in Detroit - 3-4 years ago! |
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| Nov 09 2001 21:37 | Tony Derezinski | United States | Attorney/Lobbyist |
Had the good fortune to sit in a prototype F-Type about 2 years ago at the Detroit Auto Show and decided then and there I needed one in 2002, the year I turn 60, lest I go gentle into that good night. O.K.; I'll wait a year if I have to. Just one comment with, no doubt, more to come. The tail design. The twin cone taillight version doesn't do it, and might even be considered ugly. Obviously, I like the other, rounder/fully look better, but think it can be improved so as not to look boxy. And as other comments as well, give it guts and performance, as it seems the alternatives are the boxter and, for a surprising number, the corvette. And, of course, the price should be the trump card: noticeably less than either of the above. The model I saw in Detroit, and sat in, did not have any roof/convertible top worked out as of then; would be interested in pictures of this aspect. Once had a Mercedes 280SL with a great clipon hardttop, but weighed a ton. That was a luxury boat; I now want something that performs, with a smidgeon of luxury to boot. I look forward to more pictures, and to a new dealership you should have in Ann Arbor, Michigan, where I live, and where Bill Ford happens to live as well. Looking foward to hearing from you.
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| Nov 05 2001 08:27 | Bill | United Kingdom | |
The lights on the xk180 concept car are better than on the f-type, and I also prefer the louvres on the bonnet.
The car should do 0-60 in 5 secs.
I think you could use the version 4 mascot (pg 139 classiccars November 2001) as the basis for the hand brake (for example you could pull the paws up to release the handbrake. It is a good sulpture after all!
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| Nov 03 2001 13:35 | James | United Kingdom | Director |
I've put down my deposit already!
The car needs to be seriously quick however - 0-60 must be less than 6 seconds - look at lotus.
The XK8 is no match for the 911, it's far too soft and is more of a GT replacement for the XJS. What's worse is that the lights make it look like some oriental product!Yuk!! Please don't make the same mistakes.
Please don't turn the F-type into a hairdressers car - it needs big brakes, a lot of grunt and a firm ride. It also needs a factory hard top for UK weather!!
Stick a big V8 or V12 in it. Concentrate more on performance, and ensure in terms of handling it can take on any other car! Sports car buyers are less likely to be politically correct!
It does look stunning! |
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| Nov 02 2001 18:03 | Chris | United Kingdom | Software Engineer |
Hi,
whilst the f-type looks fantastic there are one or two things i would say. first thing is im not a huge fan on the raised centre area on the bonnet.
and the second, more important thing is that the car is a Jaguar, as such a very different vehicle from other cars, so please dont just transplant an existing ford engine into it. Personally im a fan of the v12...
Looks stunning!
Currently own an 88 XJS V12 |
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| Nov 01 2001 05:46 | Dave | Canada | senior architect |
| Am a current owner of a series 1 ots 3.8 E-type. Have owned this car since 1978. I think this F-type is the first Jaguar I would bother buying since the days of the E-type. The various other sporting jaguars unfortunately have never captured the Magic that the E-type had. It has been nearly 35 years since I have first seen the E-tpe and it gives me a thrill every time I look at it. Sometimes culture gives value to things with no natural value. People learn to like a BMW because their friends have one. Even 3 year old children will see the E-type and go WoW! The beauty is so powerful, that even the mind of the child finds it a joy to see. The F-type has this kind of Magic. Yes it is derivative of the E-type, but it takes the spirit forward. Your designers have excelled. My sons asked why did Jaguar die after the E-type? The brilliant design talent that created the E-type is hard to find and without this talent you only have just another car that looks like every other car. |
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| Oct 31 2001 17:50 | Gabe Hill | Canada | Student |
Beautiful car. I would however:
1)Put the rear-veiw mirror lights down low, in a more traditional location.
2)Move the dual exahust to the center, as in the E-type.
3)offer it with an optional 5/6 speed manual transmission!
Other then that, it looks like a great car! I love the interior. This is definately meant to be a sports roadser, in the best tradition of the earliest E-types. |
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| Oct 27 2001 18:23 | Chris Ehrman | United States | |
| I am currently an XK8 owner. I am extremely interested in the new new F-Type when it is finally released. The current styling pictures I have seen look fantastic. It certainly needs to be long and low. Also, I hope that wood trim is integrated into the interior design, and all the other luxury amenities currently available in the XK series are also available. Definately should have a wood steering wheel. A retractable hard top (such as on the Mercedes CLK) would be a welcome addition, so long as there is still some room in the trunk when the top is down. Thank you, and I look forward to the final product. |
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| Oct 25 2001 20:18 | Carter J. Morrison | United States | Clerk |
| All aluminum body/chassis a must. I would prefer a change to mid-engine. R version with concept-type wind screen for those of us who need not ever drive in the rain. Eagarly awaiting your reply at my local dealer, Carter J. Morrison |
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| Oct 23 2001 16:13 | Rich Kosinski | United States | Executive |
Why will you not build the XK-180?????
The F-type will probably be nice enough, but it smacks of an econo-sports box to compete with the Z3, SLK320, and Miata. Ford marketers and bean counters have apparently decided that a larger market/smaller car/lower price point is where Jaguar should head.
The XK-180 could allow you to build a world class roadster, capable of competing with the Z8, 911 turbo and even the Aston DB-7 (I know you couldn't canibalize the Vanquish market). I personally think that the XK-180 is the most beautiful car in the world since the E-type, and I would pay any price to acquire one - even if it (only) had a supercharged V-8 making 450HP as in the concept car!
Instead, Jaguar afficionados are being treated (subjected) to mediocre styling (X-type), minimal technology (S-type) and bland performance (XK). I think that the F-type will be a nice integration of these mundane attributes.
The XK-180 proves that Jaguar can do better - DO SO!!
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| Oct 19 2001 22:08 | Eric | United States | |
| engine should have a liquid fuil ingector and a v-12 for the engine leather seating convertable or coup choice and all the stylish futures as previuos jag cars |
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| Oct 19 2001 16:14 | Randy | United States | Engineer |
| I'm a big fan of Jaguar cars since I was a little boy. I own a 66 E-type roadster and an 88 XJS. Styling is the key to making a classic. Some times style should take over practicallity. Especially in a two seat sports car. The prototype design is much better than the drawings shown in the 2001 press kit. The up-turned rear end and round tail lights of the proto are much more gracefull than the common looking back in the drawings. The front of the proto looks like a modern version of the E-type while the drawings look more like a Nissian. Stay true to the spirit of Jaguar. |
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| Oct 18 2001 17:49 | Rolf | Germany | |
Ich habe mich sehr darüber gefreut, daß Jaguar endlich einen reinrassigen Roadster baut, der sich stilistisch an der Design-Ikone E-Type orientiert. Sollte der F-Type nur annähernd so schön aussehen wie der Prototyp in Detroit, werde ich ihn bestellen.
Dennoch einige Kritikpunkte:
1.) die Motorhaube könnte ruhig noch etwas länger sein
2.) ich bin kein großer Freund von Alu-Interieur; ich
hoffe sehr, daß es den F-Type auch in Edelholzausstattung geben wird.
Viele Grüße an alle Jag-Fans
Rolf (BMW Z3 roadster)
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| Oct 17 2001 05:42 | Amy | United States | |
The new F-type is one LOVELY new Jaguar!! She is a very nice addition to the family.....
While comparing the pictures of the prototype and the drawings of the *final plans* i actually find the design of the prototype much more appealing but I am definitely getting one of these..... |
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| Oct 16 2001 15:09 | Arturs | Latvia | Student |
| I haven't seen anything greater then this Sports Car! |
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| Oct 10 2001 23:31 | Shaun | United States | Air Force |
Finnaly they are bringing back true sports car like the E-type. I like every line of this car. I would not change thing It has all the curves of Malcom's origional E with influences but, with the simple refined modernization that you expect in a new sports car.
The only component Option I request is a Heads Up Display like the ones in C5 Corvettes.
The whole point of the E-type was to offer the medium income earner with the ability to buy an exoctic sports car with all the trimmings without paying the exotic price tag.
I hope these things cost about as much as a new vette because that the origional E-types in the 60's were on par with the price of stingray vettes of that day.
67 E-type OTS
63 Mk 10
99 C5 Vette |
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| Oct 09 2001 19:37 | Pete | United States | Stock Broker |
| A great car just like every Jag |
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| Oct 09 2001 12:15 | dan | United Kingdom | parts advisor at jaguar |
| Good looks, mean attitude this car has everything you would ever want, blast fromthe past re born that will cause a major Blast when it starts production! 10/10 to jaguar for the car, the best so far |
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| Oct 07 2001 10:49 | Russ Czura | United States | Reg. Sales Mgr. |
| "CONGRATULATIONS"!! What a piece of "HISTORY & ARTWORK" Re-Born!! As current owner of a `69 E-Type Series 11 Rdstr. & previous `67 E-Type as well as `57 XK140 Rdstr; This is "IMPRESSIVE" to say the least!! The nose should be longer with a more pronounced "Center Bubble" to evoke there`s some HP under that "Bonnet"!! The Front Fog Lamps are OK but, It would be nice if they were narrow & wrapped around the corners & recessed; same with the rear lights: The Int. is "SWEET" but perhaps a Thick "Wooden Steering Wheel" would be a Touch more "Racier" & image the "E-Type", (NOT PREJUDICE), Just "LOVE EM"!! What would it look like with a set of "Chrome Wire Wheels?? "NO STICK"!!! You have to be kidding!! Offer a 5 or 6Spd. at least as an option; but should be Std. Roll Bars have to go!! You don`t want people thinking this is a "NEW" designed "Porsche" do you?? What is the "Suggested" Consumer Cost going to be approx.?? GREAT LOOKING CAT!!!! Best Wishes; Russ |
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| Oct 04 2001 06:24 | Wayne | United States | Computer Professional |
| Keep the weight down to less than 3000lbs, include a complete compliment of gauges(speed, tach, oil pressure, temp, fuel, voltage, and clock)which the porsche does not have, but the E-Type did like any respectable sports car! And consider at least a flat metal boot cover over the convertable top like those used on the Mercedes, and BMW or if at all possible a retrackable hard top! Offer some custom paint finishes that would set the F-Type off from the other offerings at Jaguar too. I already put down my deposit, the moment I heard about the F-Type being produced. |
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| Oct 03 2001 20:37 | David McMillan | Canada | executive |
| I live in Windsor Ontario Canada, across the water from Detroit Michigan and viewed first hand the F type. I currently own an XK8 coupe, and have contacted our dealer and have placed a deposit for the first F type that comes to Canada. I hope it resembles the prototype i save in January 01 at the North American show. How can i obtain a press kit for myself? Please advise. |
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| Sep 28 2001 16:59 | Carly Palmer | United States | self-employed |
| This car is the best they have come out with and I love it. |
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| Sep 28 2001 11:27 | Chris Pinkney | United Kingdom | Independent Fiancial Adviser |
The F-type should be an evolution rather than a copy of anything which has gone before. It shouldn incorporate features seen in the Frankfurt show car and should spawn convertible and coupe models with a folding hard top. An out and out roadster may suit Lotus Elise buyers but not Jaguar buyers.
There should be options for manual and automatic transmission including sequential and button shift, a complete range of cars, a la 911, could be developed to suit all tastes and needs.
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| Sep 27 2001 22:48 | Robert J. Marion | United States | Engineer |
| It's about time that an auto manufacturer returned to the beautiful style lines of the fifties and early sixties (with some upgrading). This is much better then the so called "retro" styles we hear about today. This car is a winner (at the right price). Don't make us sell the farm to buy a decently styled sporting vehicle. When can I buy mine?? |
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| Sep 27 2001 20:41 | Kazuhito | United States | |
| It looks fabulous, and yet it is very stylish. Since the F-type is possible for the future, Daimler version should be considered such as Daimler SP 320 (3.2 litre V8 from X300), and Daimler SP Super 400 (4.0 litre supercharged V8 from Daimler Super V8). So SP 250 fans could feel exciting. |
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| Sep 23 2001 16:19 | ramachandren perumal | Malaysia | mechanic |
| there is no comment,its look very stylish |
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| Sep 21 2001 11:25 | Larry Smith | New Zealand | Product Manager (IT) |
As a Brit who was brought up in a MKVII, and luxuriated in the walnut and leather (I own an XJ40), I'm afraid this is a tad too European for my liking. Smacks of German/Scandanavian (that brush metal design). Furthermore, no Walnut, no Jag!
It's too harsh and seems to be 'moving away' from the beauty of the 'E-Type'.
But I wouldn't turn my nose up at one!
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| Sep 17 2001 16:36 | James Sass | United States | Executive of Establishment |
| Lovely model. Test drives would be a dream and close those who have taste, most definitely. |
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| Sep 07 2001 09:32 | wouter Machiels | Belgium | student |
| I personally am very fond of it's design, it's reflecting the style and grace that makes a jag a jag. Too bad though that it's not suitable for taller people like myself. I enjoy looking at this car very much. My dream however is to own a e-type (series one), i think this is also one of the reasons i like the f-type. Congratulations on another fine design, and to jag-lovers, great site. |
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| Sep 07 2001 00:53 | Andrea D. Harrison | United States | Nuclear Technical Specialist |
As an owner of a 1968 4.2 XKE I love the F-type concept car, although I'd like to see a longer front end and it would be a crime to not make it available with a standard transmission. I've passed up buying the XK8 for that reason. Also...the price of a brand new one is slightly out of my range. 50k would be more like it with options for larger engines.
The interior is a little too "Go-Carty". I like the round dials but I don't I like the metalic interior. Jag lovers are looking for comfort and classic styling. Definetly need the wood dash and a sumptuous interior.
The rear needs to be a little rounder. Love the recessed headlamps.
I need to have this car immediately!!!!! Please...speed up production. |
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| Sep 01 2001 00:38 | Pat Ireland | United States | |
It is imperitive that this car have a manual transmission. This is a sports car.
It would be a very big win for Jaguar to size the passenger area to fit larger people..over 6'-4"/250#. In the past, Jaguar has sized their cars for larger americans and it would be a mistake to not follow through with the F. All of the small sports cars that are on the market now have failed in this regard. Jaguar can expand the market segment with minimal cost impact.
A price point of between $25&$45K seems appropriate. The use of multiple engine options as with the BMW Z3 would justify such a spread. If a V8/R is offered the Corvette, Z8 and Porshe can be attacked with a price point of $45 to $55K just as the E-Type did in the 60's.
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| Aug 31 2001 19:07 | Mohammad Manzoor | United States | Computer Programmer |
F-type concept is stuning. I would love to see F-type on road.
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| Aug 30 2001 00:15 | Michael Dabrowa | United States | Graphics Editor/Director |
From a Brit's point of view, it's getting there, keep on track with the warm organic shape, move away from cold, machined metal. Make it look like it is alive like the name implies, its a Jaguar foremost not a number like those cold German cars. Otherwise name it BMW F-Type.
The interior is too kit-car basic. Again its cold, you want warmth, it looks thin and uninsulated, you want to feel secure in a vehicle built for speed.
Remember, it a member of large cat family. Soft but infinitely powerful.
By the way, a lackered green or black paint with at least 20-foot reflection depth would inspire the masses. |
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| Aug 28 2001 20:54 | Kris Kolman | United States | Engineer |
The ability to mix style, grace, and speed in a single well thoughout package is what defines Jaguar. The F-type should draw upon the great XK cars from the past, but shy away from being too retro. It should remain a Jaguar in proportion and detail, but should reinterpret not just copy cues from the past.
Retain the long hood, short tail of the orginal concept, but pull in the skin tight, giving it a look of tension. And I also agree that the nose should be pulled in to give it an aggressive look. I haven't liked either of the tail treatments (the concept or pre-production sketches). The concept is much better, but I would loose the round taillights and replace them with a shape similar to the XK8's.
As for performance... It's thru the steering feel that the car will be judged and as such the platform engineers should be challenged to make the car as light and stiff as possbile. |
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| Aug 23 2001 10:24 | Saleem Khalid | United Kingdom | |
| Just wanted to say that I hope it will be a four-wheel drive (or 60:40) car and hope that there will be either a coupe version or a hard-top. Both should help it be a special "every-day" car.. |
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| Aug 21 2001 07:05 | Kit Boyes | New Zealand | Barrister & Solicitor |
Good to see a return to the Lyons/Sayer school of styling.
Re F-type - quick opinions -
Mltiple headlights visible under one housing are a fad which will become unfashionable.
Not everything can be made an elipse (The streched oval dash board of the F type is not as bad as the rear end of the S-type, but both have the contuinty of the elipse broken by internal features that dominate and the surrounding styling is made less asthetic by trying to accomodate the eliptical feature).
I'm personally not a fan of the lights buried in a tunnel.
Regarding comments about English gentleman's club, I think actual buyers, as distinct from dreamers, often want comfort, and there is room for one pure performance version of the vehicle and one with leather and burr wallnut. I suggest both should be convertable and hard top. If economics of a convertable and hard top are a problem I suggest a simple hard top like the XK120 would be cheap and asthetically pleasing (if about as aerodynamic as an Audi TT).
A pointed nose, where the centre of the grill is ahead of the lights (again, like the S-type), detracts from the skin taught over chest and leg muscle look of the cats.
Speaking of which, re S-type, that S-tupe grill would look much better if it could project lower. The bumper and grill are not sacred boundaries - safety may compell a continuous bumper but it can intersect the front of the grill, the shape of which could be continous above and below the bumper - oh give me a pen, I'll show you what I mean.
Got anywhere to send sketches? And while we're at it, where's somewhere to comment on saloon styling.
Seriously, good to see some one who still believes in making public scuplture, keep fighting the good fight. |
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| Aug 18 2001 08:39 | Bill | United States | Visual Effects Artist |
| Well I pretty much feel the same about the 2000 prototype compared to the 2001 sketches as others here. The prototype is so much better it doesn't even compare. The sketches make it look like a Boxter or BMW (a $45,000 car) whereas the prototype make it appear much more sporty and classy...might even appear to be a $100,000 car. I was ready to throw down the money on what would be my first Jaguar the minute I saw the prototype but after seeing those sketches, I would have very little interest. Don't mess with something great...you only end up with failure and pissing everyone off in the process. The design of the car was awesome in the prototype...lights, body, even the interesting mirrors up high (slightly too high in my view but not bad). How can you even think about changing the lights? If you're going to touch anything, I can see a slightly tighter inside design...maybe the gauges on the dash could be a little sportier or not so spread out. I do love the look of the aluminum and round gauges. If it looked exactly the same as the prototype, though, I would buy one tomorrow. Oh a V8 would be nice also...something fast to keep up with other high performance cars. Basically the less the look of it changes, the better. |
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| Aug 17 2001 20:41 | Derek Balaam | United Kingdom | Education officer |
Must be sporty - not a gentleman's club interior. E-Type retro features. Exhaust note needs to be somewhere between a TVR (too muscley) and a boy-racer drian pipe sound. Something like the old XKs with a distinct note. Not too quiet!!
Fast 0-60 as quick as possible. Ride firm but not too firm. If you can get the E-Type and somehow bring the same concept 50 years later - you've got it!
It's got to be a Jag - whatever that measn! Different from BMW Z3, Lotus, MGF, Merc and certainly Mazda, Toyota, Honda etc. What is a Jag? Sleek, fast, racy design, English, head-turner, different...... |
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| Aug 15 2001 14:12 | David F. LeVan | United States | Mechanical Engineer |
| In ref. to the 2001 concept pictures, I would like to see thin blade style bumpers simular to the "E" type. Even if only on the 4 corners. The discontinuation of the use of chrome bumpers has diminished the class, styling and character of most new automobiles. Jaguar has always shown class and styling superior to other manufactures and should continue this tradition. |
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| Aug 13 2001 20:53 | Tom L. | United States | Computer consultant |
| I owned a 1966 E-type roadster from 1971 to 1975. I would like to see the F type carry forward the good points and eliminate the weak points of that car. Please consider the following suggestions. 1. Raise the height of the windscreen on the concept and design the air flow in the cabin so that the occupants don't get overcome by the wind during high speed top down motoring. 2. Give the car a higher revving engine while still maintaining good power and torque at low RPM. 3. Give the car more nimble handling than the original. The original E type handled very well but could have been a little more tossable with less steering effort. |
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| Aug 12 2001 06:52 | peter whiter | Australia | architect |
| the design concept is breathtaking. by far and away the most successful modern interpretation of a classic model i have seen. the real challenge is maintaining the purity of the detailing into the production model - something even porsche failed to do with the boxster. good luck! |
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| Aug 10 2001 18:08 | Tim Putland | Canada | Helicopter Pilot/Capt. |
I think you have come up with a winning design this time. I have owned E-Types, 3.8 and a 4.2 both roadsters and I loved to drive both of them. I was seriously thinking of purchasing a XKR until I heard of the "F" model coming out.
I have seen most of the new models that you have produced and I must say honestly, I think the craftmanship is still there but, it seems ever since Ford has been involved the interior finishing looks very plastic and very North American something you would see in a ford sedan here in Canada.
I hope you will keep the F-model strickly for us sport car lovers and not put to many frills and bells and whistles in it.
The add says its going to affordable...?????
I look forward to getting behind the wheel of one of these fine automobiles when they come out.
Yours Truly,
Capt. Tim Putland
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| Aug 07 2001 19:45 | Stefan Sewall | Sweden | radiologist |
| The 2000 F-type concept car is absolutely stunning, - breathtaking, and is a must-have from my point of view. The 2001 drawings are awful in comparison. Please make it reliable, affordable and rust-proof as well as fast. I would also like it to have a V8. A less sterile interior with slightly more E-type-like style would also be preferable. I will certainly buy a Jaguar F-type that looks like the original 2000 concept car. To get it I will even consider selling my 1964 3.8 E-type OTS and 1975 XJ6. |
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| Aug 06 2001 16:02 | Jason Thomas | United Kingdom | |
| Please tell me you're not thinking of getting rid of that one continuous sumptuously curvindng line from front to back (from just above the rear indicator light to just above the fromt one). That's almost the whole point of the cars image. |
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| Aug 03 2001 06:24 | Phillip | New Zealand | Property Owner |
What Jaguar must remember is that the F-Type must compete with the Ferrari 360M, the Porsche GT3, and it must be immensly more powerful and refined than any Australian V8 or Japanese 2 litre.
I am personally hoping for a supercharged V12; a V8 is not really a Jaguar powerplant, something in the region of 350+kw.
It must have fierce acceleration and top end performance - it must match and beat any production car it meets- to achieve cult status and following. I feel that a lack of respect for Jaguar Performance has been built up, so a non-option of a S-V12 should raise Jaguar's profile among those of us who desire our cars to crush any opposition on the road or track. |
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| Aug 02 2001 15:35 | Gail Harris | United States | Sr. Electronic Design Engineer |
| Try to make the seating capable of accomodating a tall individual (6'5"). I have a 98 XJ8 and a friend of mine can't make the electric seat go low enough to keep from hitting his head on the ceiling. |
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| Jul 25 2001 14:23 | Vladimir Andreyev | Latvia | Regional Manager, Rietumu Bank |
Dear Sirs,
I think many of us would appreciate if you'll pamper your admirers with a proper quality of plastic and adjustment of panels (fingers simply get stuck in the chinks of X-type). As to plastic-be ahead of your time viz. the application of transparent or translucent plastics will be definitely "hors concours" and thus you'll needle all other competitive car's manufactures. It figures. Since i was wearing out the seats of my pants in the Aviation University i still remember such terrifying words as styrenebutadiene and its sopolimers-why not?
WIBNI to reduce speedometer's error which doesn't comply with brand's prestige (ref.to X-type). As non-professional designer i'd advice to reduce the front cornice (overhang?) and to lengthen a little the rear one (CL coupe from Mr.Benz is a striking example). It's just my childish ideas and they ain't imperative.
By the way,why the person of Keith Helfet always stays in the background? People should know their heroes. His contribution is amazing and i take off my hat to him.
Well,in 2005 I'll be of 24 years old and who knows...
Sorry for english (the third language in my unconscious life) and for candid critique
With respect to your efforts,
Vladimir Andreyev
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| Jul 24 2001 05:09 | Gregory Williams | United States | President, Real Estate Inv. |
I love the pictures that I've seen so far from the Detriot 2000 Auto Show. I've owned 2 XKE's in the past, and this F Type is definitely a step in the right direction. The only drawback that I see, is the cockpit. It should be more like the XKE, with a center console and the smaller guages not so spread out and maybe a little bit more "wrap-around." For 50K, or there abouts, it should have a sound system. But the outside is absolutely breathtaking. Please don't change a thing. Thank you for giving me something to look forward to.
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| Jul 23 2001 19:49 | Darkwing | United States | |
| All I have to say is: don't do anything stupid! You have what looks to be an incredible car. You have the name and reputation going for you. Do not try to put in anything that might hurt that reputation. This may sound absurdly simple, but time and time again I have seen good cars go bad. Mostly in the developmental stage, and the stage the Ftype is in now. Stick to what's good, and use your heads, and this one should shine brighter than any other car in it's class. |
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| Jul 22 2001 03:28 | neville patterson | United States | |
| I am certain Ian Callum and the design team will incorporate enough Jaguar dna that the F-type's appearance will be stunning. I hope it also will be able to blend a relatively light weight, sports car handling and grand touring ride, a choice of six cylinder 3 liter (or so) engine, six speed manual gearbox with a tall top gear for reasonable gas mileage on the highways; the convertible top of course (glass window) that stows flat. I truly hope that a targa-top roof is also offered, that has a hatchback with reasonable stowage space behind the seats (Corvette actually has a great concept with their "coupe"; it's an elegant compromise.) Full instrumentation is important, with analog readout. The cockpit should say and feel sports car without being either spartan or stuffy. In other words, a Jaguar real sports car for the 21st Century, a worthy successor to XK-120's and E-Types, updated for our world today, drivers, roads and environment. |
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| Jul 20 2001 10:47 | David Orr | New Zealand | Programmer/Web Designer |
When I first saw the F-Type concept in TV footage of the Detroit show, I nearly slipped over in the pool of drool that rapidly accumulated under my chin. I couldn't wait to see more pictures and read every bit of information I could find about this gorgeous car. However, when I saw the artists impressions that were released when it was announced that the car was actually going to be put into production, I nearly slipped over in the large pool of vomit that rapidly accumulated around me.
As a relatively young (34) Jaguar owner, I can assure Jaguar that not all young(ish) people want them to go with a "fresh" radical new design. There is absolutely nothing wrong with borrowing from past designs when the past designs are cars like the XK120, E-Type and Mark II. Please don't be sucked in by motoring journalists who swoon over every ridiculous new concept. The current offerings from most other manufacturers (including many from Ford) are nothing short of hideous. "The Emporers' new clothes" comes to mind when I read most reviews of new concepts.
The only thing the original F-type design needs is a roof. I'm sure the design could be altered to fit a convertible roof without straying too far from the original. The overwhelmingly enthusiastic response from the public when the F-Type was first shown is all the proof that is required to show Jaguar that they are on to a winner, as long as they don't change it!! I would be reluctant to place an order for an F-Type (as several thousand already have) if I thought the car was going to end up looking like the press-release pictures.
Please Jaguar, make the F-Type a fitting tribute to the masters of styling, Sir William Lyons, and Geoff Lawson. They have given us some of the most beautiful cars ever built, so it is only right that Jaguar continues to produce cars that live up to their standards.
This car has the potential to obliterate the hideous BMW, Mercedes and Porsche competition, so please don't desert your loyal fans.
And while you're at it, the only thing that should prevent Jaguar (Ford?) from making more of the delicious XK180 is sheer incompetence. Mind you I've just read that Ford managed to lose several hundred million dollars in the last year, so it doesn't look like the XK180 is a starter. |
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| Jul 18 2001 14:22 | Karim Ahari | Sweden | Consultant |
Hi there
This is my second comment and what can I say, the 2000 prototype is so much more right than the 2001 sketches. The 2001 car looks like all the other roadsters out there.
The 2000 prototype was a breath of fresh air, some new blood! The back end is marvelously beutiful. It would be sacrilegious to change a single line on the back of that car. I loved the high-mounted wing mirrors, could you please keep them for the production car?
The front could be a little improved however, although the prototype was much more beutiful than the sketches. I can't really be sure, but I think it's the front fog lights that aren't completely right. I think the car would benefit from cleaner lines at the front. Perhaps the fog lights should be moved down and the
grille should be a bit more accentuated? Get inspired by the Ferrari 330 LMB perhaps.
Engine-wise I am hoping for a supercharged V6 with lots of power on tap. 300+ bhp I hope!? Rear wheel drive of course, or are you considering four wheel drive? It is trendy right now but I think it makes the car less sporty (more weight).
Please opt for the prototype and not the sketches, and way to go Jaguar! |
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| Jul 15 2001 06:22 | Jaye Waas | United States | |
While the body looks quite interesting it reminds me a bit of the AC Cobra mixed with elements of the Dodge Viper. It does not remind me of any previous Jaguar with slight exception to the E type front found on the old E Type racing versions.
If you wish to make a 'New' statement in the Jaguar line, please do not have it appear that you took bits and pieces from other cars with an apparent body length of a Mazda RX ( a short wheel-base car).
The main attraction over the years has been the flowing smooth lines, so reciently departed from by Ford.
In any event the extremely low windshield looks like it would limit the drivers view of the road.
However the 'F concept' is a very good start.
Thank you.
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| Jul 14 2001 00:13 | Aiden Wrenn | United Kingdom | dentist |
Look at what has gone before it from both Jaguar and other manufacturers that have been succesful. Obviously Jaguar heritage is important, but don't be afraid to take on new ideas.
The Mazda MX5 is a good place to start. This car is cool because its transmission is so 'live'; the direction the car is going responds so sweetly to the throttle input. My own XJ8 Sport also feels good in that respect, as a Jag should (with ASC off).
Have a close look at the Alfa GTV 3liter. It rocks. I grinned for days after test driving one and would have bought one for sure if I didn't have a family. I often try to test drive one again but the local dealer knows me by now.
How about 4WD? Porsche does it on some of its cars. As does Audi. By the time the car is released all the bugs should be out of the X-Type transmission (if there are any!) and it should be possible to adapt it to a smaller car.
Make sure there's no straight lines on the body and it really looks like a Jaguar. Give it an engine range that starts around 2.5 and goes as big as possible (can you imagine a 4.0 Supercharger in this baby?)
And make absolutely certain the car is cool. Air con is not an optional extra
A trick roof as on that silly little merc bends would be good also.
Be the best.
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| Jul 13 2001 22:43 | Emily Philips-Roth | United States | |
| I think that the F-TYPE series is an excellent idea. I looked at the pictures, and I think that they are beautiful cars; just like some of the older 60's models. |
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| Jul 13 2001 21:52 | Bill | United States | Technical Management |
After the auto show in Detroit in 2000, everyone agreed that the prototype shown just stole the show. You couldn't make them fast enough to meet the demand. It was beautiful. The most recent pictures of the "revised" F-type killed it. Someone asked Jacques Nassar what would keep them from coming out with such a car. His reply: Stupidity. Well Jacques, let me tell you something. If you keep with the original design shown as the Detroit show, you've got a winner, but change it to what is now showing, and you're going to snatch defeat out of the hands of victory.
And what's with taking til 2004 to bring it out? Glad you're accountants and marketing department weren't responsible for planning the D-day invasion.
It's so depressing to think that you guys just might blow it. Keep the original design and get it to us. Soon.
I'm ready to buy it, but do you think I really am going to wait 3 more years just to be disappointed that you changed the styling? What would I be waiting for? If I wanted something that looked like the 2001 sketches, I'd buy one of "the other ones"
I'm so certain that you'll not come out with the original, that I've basically dismissed the idea of buying a Jaguar.
I grew up in Dearborn, Michigan and was proud of the Ford heritage. If Ford design had anything to do with these changes, they should all have their butts kicked into the pond.
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| Jul 10 2001 20:26 | tommy | United States | |
| The f-type should have the racing feel, yet handle as well as if not better than the boxster. If they throw in one of of their supercharged engines, and keep the stylish looks. |
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| Jul 10 2001 18:55 | John Harleman | United States | General Manager |
| Performance is what drives true success. The E, which I am lucky to own one, succeeded due to its performance as well as cost point. Jaguar has drifted away from performance over the years and appears to be coming back, but with something that should lead the sporting car world as the E did, I would expect extreme performance at least as an option--in the range of the Boxster S and M3 with the handling to match. The car has the looks so I hope it doesn't end up a superficial date! |
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| Jul 09 2001 13:12 | Geoffrey Dawe | Canada | President |
I am fortunate enough to have both a 2001 S-Type and a '68 E-Type. (Something about having your cake and eating it too!) I am eagerly looking forward to the F-Type.
Ideally, it would combine the best of both worlds - the look, the lines, the "feel" of the E-Type, with the benefits of modern manufacturing.
A manual transmission is a must!
The F-Type will be a winner! |
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| Jul 04 2001 19:41 | Justin | United States | |
| I've always been a huge fan of the Roadster, so I'll probably be one of the first to buy the new F-Type. I think that it should control the era of sports cars as we know it, and maybe have some features that will compliment a newer and future generation. I suggest going with most of the sketches and pictures out publicly now, maybe add some 20' rims with tires and work with it's speed and safety. I think it will be a great car and I can't wait to get one :) |
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| Jul 04 2001 15:21 | Myers | Canada | Retired |
I currently drive a MY 2000 XKR. It is a fine car; however, I look forward to the F-Type as a true sports car with greater driver involvement and greater handling agility. In my view, it is therefore necessary to keep the weight down, while ensuring there is sufficient structural integrity to meet the highest expectations. It is in this area that I would encourage the Jaguar engineers to make some notable advances. Of course, costs must be controlled as well, so a light and strong roadster is a significant engineering challenge. the base model should be capable of 0 to 60 mph acceleration in the mid six second range, and a top speed of 140 mph plus. Steady state lateral acceleration should achieve at least 0.85 Gs, and braking, steering, and engine responsiveness should be class leading. Asix speed manual transmission is a must. In today's US dollars, I would expect the base model to list at no more than $45,000.
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| Jul 02 2001 11:58 | Vladimir Andreyeff | Latvia | Regional Manager,Rietumu Bank |
The project was completed under the aegis of the new Director of Design, Ian Callum, who says the F-TYPE CONCEPT is a tribute to Geoff Lawson. "Sadly," he said, "This car is the last to bear Geoff's inimitable stamp. It is a fine example of the standards we will strive to maintain."
The answer on the question "to be or not to be" is evident.
WANTED! Niels van Roij
I'd appreciate if you'll send your sketches to 2man@graphic-designer.com
I'm also interested in drawing the Jaguars and i'm bound to send to you some variations on the theme "Jag's innovative design" :)
Looking forward with impatience
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| Jul 01 2001 16:25 | Greg Krebs | United States | Architect |
I have been a fan of Jaguar since I first received a matchbox toy E-Type in the early sixties. It is still the most beautiful car ever built. I had one problem when I finally got to sit in one. I was too tall for it. Sir Lyons was not close to my 6'-4" in height and I suppose he climbed in without having to contort himself in the least. This is a plea for all of us long, tall Texan types; give us an extra inch or more. We would love to buy something like the F-type if we could get into it for longer than 30-seconds. Given the past history for the XK8, I won't fit. The XK8 was great but my head was on the liner and my knees were on the tunnel and door with no place to go.
I will have to agree with many others about the 2000 F-Type versus the 2001 sketches. The original wins hands down. Every detail is correct in its own place, giving the car a synergy that the sketches lack in spades. The round tail lights and front driving lights resolve the problems that the E-type had due to its time in history. The original tail lights looked better than the Series 2, but they were antiquated in concept and dated to begin with. The 2000 F-Type lights are the right element for the right job.
The only other thing to say, is that it would make a great coupe body as well. I know that ragtops are all the rage, but this would look really fantastic as a ne FHC. Hurry up and get it in the showrooms. I'll be there when you do. |
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| Jun 29 2001 16:33 | Chuck Rigney | United States | Heavy Equipt.Operater(Ret) |
| The F-Type Jaguar is worthy of being the successor of the XK-E of the 60s & 70s.And also the XK-180 is a great looking car.Both the cars should sell very well in this new century. |
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| Jun 29 2001 05:14 | george | United States | |
| the shape of the car is basically alright. but i think you should realize that the drawing and the real thing should have a sleeker waist line to give it that sporty and aggressive look the orignal drawing has. i also think the grille should be accented a bit; it looks like a chunk of metal was just cut out to make that whole which is supposed to be the grille. probably, the car should be mado to use wheels of a bigger radii also. the wheel arches also need to be accented to make them look like what's in the drawing; right now they look like cut out holes |
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| Jun 28 2001 13:04 | dominique | Netherlands | |
Ik vind het een erodinamische auto .
het is ook niet zo n lompe wagen en toch ziet hij er snrl uit.
De verhoudingen kloppen bijv de kont van de wagen is niet te lomp en de neus nirt te spits. |
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| Jun 27 2001 14:43 | Vladimir Andreyev | Latvia | Regional Manager,Rietumu Bank |
The truth be told, both concepts are far from ideal ones.The xk180 seems to me much more interesting and it really ails me whether we'll find it standing in our garages or not.
Ab imo pectore to all Jag's admirers
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| Jun 27 2001 04:45 | Paul | United States | |
| does the f-type come with a top or is it just open? |
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| Jun 26 2001 21:17 | YVETTE | United States | NURSE |
| JAGUAR SHOULD KEEP THE ORIGINAL CONCEPT, IT STIRS THE SOUL, IT WILL DEFINETLY BRING THEM NEW CUSTOMERS, I WAS AT THE NEW YORK AUTO SHOW TO SEE THE CAR, AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH IT. THE SECOND UPDATE IS JUST ANOTHER COPY OF A BOXSTER. |
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| Jun 26 2001 18:00 | Douglas Goodman | United States | Investment Banker |
I have been a sports car enthusiast for a long time. Beginning as a teenager I restored a couple of TR6's and always viewed the XKE as one of the coolest cars around, though out of my reach at the time. Since then I have had my share of Porsches (most recently a 96 C4). Though I loved the lines of the 911 (and still do of the pre 98 model), my eyes have continually gone back to the XKE. At the 1999 auto show in Ny the only concept car that really created any excitement for me was the jaguar concept car that in many respects drew on the E type lines. My excitement continued when I saw the F type in 2000. This car in my opinion has beautiful lines (reminds me in some ways of the D type). The XK's, the D type and the E type represent to me Jaguar's racing heritage. I went so far as to inquire about placing an order three years before production!
Interestingly I think that Jaguar designers are in a similar position/dilemma that Porsche designers faced in delivering a production car from the boxter concept.
As a porsche fan (yes you can be both), the concept car drew from the Spyder's lines and was leaner and much more beautiful than the ultimate production car. Porsche looked at the price point and production costs and I think chose the "easy route" out. They lost my sale. Despite the huge success I look at the Boxter as the "entry level" porsche and I think they could have done alot more with it.
Jaguar has a major opportunity to resurrect the racing heritage of the marque with the F Type. I think this is hugely important for attracting anyone under the age of 50 to the marque. Do not cheapen the car for mass production. If it costs 10K more and the lines/quality and performance are there people will pay. You will get the 30 and 40 year olds you don't have now that are looking for a sports car performance.
My advice is the following.
1. As much as feasibly possible stay true to the 2000 concept car. I saw a later drawing with a much more boxy rear that was much less attractive a car than the physical concept car.
2. The car has to comewith a manual transmission option... Tiptronic would be interesting.
3. Equip for performance not luxury. creature comforts can in some ways take a back seat.
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| Jun 26 2001 17:20 | Geoff Conroy | United Kingdom | Chartered Engineer |
As an aging engineer who has the pleasure of owning 3 Jag E types I would urge the design team to ensure that the jag spirirt is captured in the new concept by keeping the appearance consistent with the eye catching lines of the fore runner. If the car is ready in 2005 it is likely that I shall be placing one of the first orders provided it does the business.
The most memorable part of driving the E type was the 300 mm of bonnet that one often forgot when parking. The ground hugging posture and the unforgettable rush when the nose lifted in every gear.
Good luck with this endeavour.
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| Jun 25 2001 18:45 | Kevin Peschke | United Kingdom | Photographer |
I've alraedy put down the deposit on a car, so please, please keep it as fluid a car as the 2ooo model. This car has to have the natural grace and elegance of the E type (and I've had a few of those!)
Most of all it has to be a car with soul - and keep those original back lights. Please don't make it look anything like a Boxster or I' m going to be sick over my order form.
This is a fantatic opportunity for Jaguar to create a car of real beauty - please don't blow it by watering down the initial concept. If we'd wanted an MX5 we'd
have bought one. Show the rest of the world that greatness doesn't only come out of Modena. |
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| Jun 24 2001 12:45 | Adam Anderson | Australia | Mechanical Engineer |
| I think the general shape of the car is not as fluid as previous classic Jags. The depth betwwen the wheel arches and the top of the panels seems too deep. And I don't think much of the front end - why not use wide cat eye type headlights ala current XJK - the frontal design of which I think is one of the best ever. Pure Jag. |
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| Jun 24 2001 11:56 | Martin Hartwig | Australia | Student |
| I drive a Nissan Cima and i like it alot and when i got it brand old i said "i will never trade this car in" and when i saw the 2000 concept it strengthened my argument but when i saw the 2001 concept i said "See you later Nissan I am getting a 2001 concept F-Type. I HOPE THE OTHER ONE DOES NOT SEE PRODUCTION. |
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| Jun 21 2001 16:47 | Vaughn Thomas | United Kingdom | Consultant |
| I think that the F-TYPE is a true jaguar with its outstanding looks and appearence. If you didnt know that the ftype was a jag you wouldnt know? I can't wait to see an Ftype. I saw the XK180 at the motor show in 1998 and i prefere that design. |
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| Jun 21 2001 01:12 | Kevin Kane | United States | |
| The 2000 concept of the f-type is, well, more jag than the 2001 concept, which i hope doesnt see production. it is just too plain. jag can do better than that, and it has. the initial prototype wont be as good for market share purposes, which it looks like the manufacturer is going for with this project, but jag needs it to maintain its dignity as a prestegious auto manufacturer, not a ford sellout. i would buy the 2000 sketch, but not the 2001. |
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| Jun 21 2001 00:15 | chriss | United States | tattoo artist |
it really looks like all the other specialty vehicles...like the audis,bmws and the new porshe design...
it doesnt even look like a jag.... what happened to the beautiful jaguars?!?...even the s type.. who thought of that benz rip-off?
i have a few nice old jags and i wouldnt park either of those in my garages |
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| Jun 19 2001 19:28 | maarten de man | Belgium | - |
The original prototype car is one of the most beautiful cars I've ever seen.But what a difference is the prototype of 2001 , that car doesn't look like a jag...
I think it looks like a bmw z8.
So I'm sure to add the F-type to my collection , if it looks like the first prototype , and if they could combinate a 300 HP version with a manual(six)gear... |
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| Jun 19 2001 18:35 | Shawn K. Hott | United States | Sales |
| The original prototype car is beautiful! However, I cannot say as much for the 2001. I have six exotic cars at the moment (including a 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 AC) & plan to add the f-type to my collection if it comes out anywhere close to the design of the prototype. I really like the aluminum interior of the f-type as well, especially the seats/harnesses. You did a great job in keeping the Jaguar tradition with the F-type. Take the prototype to production and you'll have a winner. |
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| Jun 14 2001 21:21 | Harry | United Kingdom | |
Ok here's my 2 cents :
If I saw the 2001 car alone I'd say , what a lovely car! Seeing it next to the 2000 concept I say : What a crock of S@*t! |
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| Jun 14 2001 09:06 | Lee Berry | New Zealand | Solicitor |
| I see I am not alone in saying the 2000 concept F is about the most beautiful car jaguar has produced, and the 2001 is the most butt ugly. Jaguar is such a distinctive heritage brand, it would be a pity to try and shoehorn it into a boxter (ugh!) try-hard lookalike. Everyone I have spoken to loves the concept and hates the 2001 one. The wing mirrors on the windscreen, for example - nobody disliked them; they were interesting and smart. The back end is another huge difference. The back end of the concept harkened back to the very best of the swirling sculpted design elements of those glorious early jags and yet somehow looks just so futuristic it's untrue! The 2001 one looks, quite frankly, very nasty and cheap. |
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| Jun 12 2001 14:08 | William Bullock | United States | Computer Programmer |
| I think that the most important component of the Ftype is the size. Jaguar has a large sports car, the XK series, they need to have a small sports car. The F type needs to hand it to the Boxter in everyway. If this is accomplished Jaguar will reign supreme in the industry. |
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| Jun 12 2001 09:36 | Faisal Rahman | Singapore | |
I think I'd prefer the styling of the original F-Type concept. It looks more agressive and more 'Jaguar'. I hope most of the interior survives production. I especially like the aluminium trim.
And I hope Jaguar makes the car feel like a real sportscar in the sprit of the Jag E-Type. This car has the potential of being one of the best Jaguars yet. I hope Jaguar doesnt screw it up! |
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| Jun 11 2001 22:57 | Justin | United States | High School Student |
| THIS DESIGN IS FREAKIN AWESOME! I think this car is the coolest car i've ever seen, and i like how the rear-view mirrors are so high up. That's all i got to say. Peace. |
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| Jun 11 2001 20:36 | marc | Australia | |
| Jaguar should look at the fit and finish of the Audi TT as a bench mark. |
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| Jun 11 2001 03:14 | Peter Peel | United States | Test pilot |
I vastly prefer the 2000 design. The 2001 doesn't look like a Jaguar. It resembles a Boxster or a BMW roadster as many point out. The retro debate is a red herring. What matters is that the design be exciting, elegant, and sensuous. It should be both contemporary and romantic in the sort of way that builds on Jaguar's tradition.
One key point: keep the car light and nimble. The last thing we need is another heavy GT type car pretending to be a sports car. I would love to see this car keep its weigh under 2500 lbs. so that it retains the benefits of nimbleness and good power to weight ratio. I prefer an elegant but relatively minimal interior to fit the identity of a lightweight roadster. Luxury doesn't have to mean lots of goo-gaws and excess. It simply needs to be comfortable and refined. I would prefer not to have any wood since this is getting to be a cliche that you can find on even the most prosaic Japanese sedan these days.
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| Jun 08 2001 16:06 | Nicholas | United Kingdom | Chief Executive |
Sir
The 2000 proto-F-type really does look the business. The 2001 version does not. I would echo the sentiment of many in this page that Jaguar should stick to the former. Whilst that choice should be immediately obvious to anyone with any pretensions to taste, the flack the F-type receives for being too much like the E-type, or "retro", is simply not fair. The E-type was and remains a remarkable car for many reasons, not least for its elegant styling. That the F-type (2000) seems to have inherited some of the E-type's qualities does not make the F-type a retrograde step, but a positive step forward in maintaining the continuity of an outstanding motoring tradition. |
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| Jun 07 2001 20:20 | rich mikulas | United States | strategic technology manager |
Sirs:
As a current owner of a series 1 XKE and owner of many other XKE's, my sentiment for exterior design echos the majority of responses in this column......stick with the 2000 design (except for the spoiler) Regarding the interior, I believe a manufacturer competitive design move would be to offer different levels of interior trim from stark (more race or traditionally inspired)to that of a more contemporary design, where some wood, wool carpet and upgraded leather would be an option. I anxiously await the next set of drawings, but feel like I will be placing an order sooner rather than later. |
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| Jun 04 2001 17:18 | Clive Banks | United Kingdom | |
| I placed an order in March, but will look to cancel if this thing comes out looking like the Boxster. I wanted an XK180, which was the best looking car I have seen. |
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| Jun 03 2001 13:30 | Ivor Miskelly | United Kingdom | Manager |
| The original design was the one that inspired me to express an intent to order one at my dealer - and that was before I saw the actual car on display at the Motor Show in October. It incorporates so much of the Jaguar heritage in its styling from that oval opening at the front, the hump in the bonnet and those beautifully proportioned curves of the front and rear wings. In a world of so many overdesigned shapes, this one looks so naturally "right" with cues from the D, E and the stunning XK180. Was it Keith Helfet who said that he had designed the car he would like to own? I couldn't agree more. The 2001 alternative does not compare at all; a sports car does not have to look like a Boxster to attract younger buyers. Jaguar buyers want an XK180 - the F type should be the nearest thing to it. Keep that gorgeous interior as well! |
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| Jun 02 2001 23:32 | Ian | United Kingdom | Jaguar Employee |
| I agree with the common view that the original design is the more attractive. This design is one that has allowed the styling studio to freely express themselves.However, the auto business requires a vehicle to be built using a cost-effective method, so the later designs have to reflect this. The 'E'-type was not so restricted and became the classic we all love. |
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| Jun 02 2001 12:48 | Sebastiaan | Netherlands | Male |
I like the F-type who was showed in Detroid most.
The backlights on the last drawings like a bit at the BMW Z8.
So I think that they must chance that when they want to create a whole new designd car with an own look. |
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| Jun 02 2001 00:15 | Andrew Kaess | United States | |
| Very, Very nice. Looks like the old XKE. Should make more cars that look like this. Extremely nice car. |
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| Jun 01 2001 23:46 | Leitner | Germany | analyst |
The first study is the most beautiful car I've ever seen, really. Would the F-Type be released with that shape, I'll buy it having or not having children at that point in time. Perfect design.
But should it be issued in the newer shape, it will a nice car to look, but nothing extraordinary. I won't buy it
!!! PLEASE GO FOR THE ORIGINAL PROTOTYPE !!! |
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| May 31 2001 15:10 | Robert Abascal | United States | Business Owner |
My vote goes to the first car. It has more of the curvy bulges like a voluptuous mistress that the set the E-type apart. The newer shape is more clean/sterile plain vanilla (need I say more). I'd get a Boxster or Corvette hands down over the F.
The E-type is in the Museum of Modern Art. The F-type (in it's current form) doesn't even belong in the shadow of the old E. Admittedly, the E is a hard act to follow but the first shape comes closer than the latter. I was VERY excited about the first one, now my excitment is just a passing interest. I'd compare it as looking at the Ford Mustang vs a GT40. Also, I second the overwhelming favorable sentiment on the XK180. |
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| May 31 2001 10:33 | Nigel Hague | Australia | cabinet maker |
| The F-type is leaning towards being a true successor to the E-TYPE thanks to the focus on the basic elements of a true sports car.Grace, pace and almost no space are real Jag sports car ingredients.Leave the emphasis of space, luxury and refinement to the other series of Jags. The F-type must however meet a criteria of requirements. The first must reflect Jags real sports car heritage and characteristics. Jaguar has done this well with an obvious family appearence to the E and D types. Secondly spirited perfomance from either a supercharged V6 or V8 are an obvious choice. The catch is that it's sound must have a brilliant note. Some exhaust engineering would do it. |
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| May 30 2001 06:42 | Karim Ahari | Sweden | Consultant |
Hi there,
The Jaguar people aren't making this easy! I like both designs, but the early (2000) design has the edge. It has a beautiful silhouette. Possibly the finest looking I've ever seen. However I'm not so sure about the front puddle lights. I also think that lowering the front as in the latter (2001) design was an improvement, but please go back to the 2000 rear styling. If I had to choose between the two, I'd go for the 2000 design.
Would love to have one. give us a call when it's OK to order one! |
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| May 29 2001 19:58 | John Rosevear | United States | marketing director |
| The essential shape of the original show car is the one to preserve. Obviously the windscreen etc is not realistic for production but the round taillights and overall silhouette is a winner. The later drawings show a much more generic-looking car... Sir William would not approve. The XK180 was a winner, too... keep thinking in that vein. |
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| May 29 2001 03:37 | John Catanzaro | United States | Accountant |
I think both designs are clearly Jaguar.
Unfortunately, actual real life vehicles always look cleaner than the conceptual drawings. I think the real life execution of the second design may suprise alot of the skeptics.
I hope Jaguar chooses not to go with the minimalist, techno, machine look of metal on the inside. Does sport have to be exclusive of elegance? I think Jaguar proved that untrue with the XK8. Jaguar has always been the embodiment of civilied performance. If I want pure functionality I wouldn't be a Jaguar fan.
I trust this car will match Jaguar's great lineage. I look forward to driving one home. |
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| May 28 2001 08:51 | Scott Barry | United States | |
The first F-type design concept (2000) is both beautiful and obviously Jaguar. It is a timeless design that I find hard to turn away from.
The second design (2001) looks like a collage of ideas stolen from several different cars. The rear end resembles a Porsche Boxster with BMW Z8-like tail lights. Not bad looking, but not original. The profile lacks sensuous lines that swoop like the first concept. Very dissappointing.
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| May 27 2001 22:57 | Robert S Freedman | United Kingdom | University student |
Hello there,
I've been a big Jaguar fan for a long time. My father owns a late model XJ40 and could well purchase an X-Type soon. We all appreciate the values of a Jaguar - speed, comfort, a flawless ride. However, I believe the F-type may be a step in the wrong direction if handled incorrectly. There seems to be an entirely uncritical wistfulness for the E-Type which is misplaced. The XJ-S which replaced the E was a better car in almost every respect, lasted far longer an underpins the superlative XK series and the new Aston Martins. The E-type on the other hand was equipped in a spartan manner and got progressively flabbier and less attractive over time. The mock-ups of the F-type display an alarming move toward retro-modernism with aluminum styling and detailing that harks back to the 60s. Having dials spread liberally across the dash rather than grouped effectively is a retrograde step in car design. Moreover, as the S-Type showed, Jaguar buyers expect their car interior to be cossetting and warm, not cold and functional - the X-Type has moved back toward this fortunately. Jaguar should not confuse high performance and value with a need to pare down the luxury of the vehicle and produce a faddish "industrial" look inside.
Moreover, if Jaguar looks for inspiration in its past, a laudable goal, it should look to the 70s rather than the 60s. The F-Type looks rather anonymous and appears to ape the rounded appearance that other manufacturers are now starting to move away from. Bold, sharp-edged lines would have made more of an impression. Perhaps draw inspiration from some of Giugiario's work from that period, e.g. the Delorean or Lotus Esprit, or even the Jaguar "Ascot" his (I believe it was his) re-interpretation of the XJ-S. There's not need at all the idolise the cars of the 1960s, when in all respects that Jaguars that have followed were better technically in every respect and in style were often more distinctive. |
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| May 26 2001 11:54 | Jesse | United States | Computer Engineer |
The Jaguar design team has apparently been turned over to the Ford division.. ever notice how an S Type looks like a Ford Taurus from the rear?
I will gladly stick to any vehicle year before 95 just to know that Ford hasn't touched my Vehicle :) Just my 2 cents! |
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| May 25 2001 15:02 | Dr. Neil Richardson | United States | professor |
I am both astonished and disappointed with the second iteration of the F-type design. The first (2000) model is both beautiful and obviously Jaguar. The second (2001) is MUCH less of either. I would plan to buy the first version, but I doubt that I would want to part with more than half as much money for something looking like the second.
There are reports that the second design was "dictated" by build-ability issues surrounding the first. Why not dedicate yourselves to solving such engineering issues as may exist? That way, Jaguar will have another timeless car -- worthy again of inclusion in the Museum of Modern Art's permanent collection!
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| May 24 2001 21:37 | Chris Morgan | United States | Student |
I like the back but I think the front is to "Thick", reffering to the height from the underside to the top of the hod seen from the side. I think the rearveiw mears ontop of the windshield thing is messed up! They look like mouse ears our something like that!I like the size of the wheels in proportion to the car's size and shape. I think this car is a styling winner but needschrome rims like no other ones on the market.
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| May 24 2001 09:51 | Daan Zeven | Netherlands | 14 years old and car-lover |
I think that it is a pitty that the Jaguar F-type has not kept the original design in the pruduction-model, because the F-type had beautiful details like the backlights, the low windows and its compacity (this are the things that make me like the car very much ) . But when you take all these details from the car it isn't as special as first anymore, than it is just a beautiful roadster instead of an extra-ordinary roadster (that is far more interesting.This is my opinion about the F-type , I hope that it is the same as the concept-car.
Greetings ,
Daan Zeven
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| May 23 2001 19:55 | Eric Cheek | United Kingdom | Company Director |
Great design - except for the wheels.
Also (for UK) any way not to have front number plate over air intake as in XK8 - which spoils its looks.
Unfortunately stick on letters & numbers are not possible on new cars but this needs looking at.
Looking ofrward to owning an f type! |
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| May 21 2001 19:24 | Ann Grannan | United States | Engineer |
I like the rear styling, but the front half seems "thick" to me, referring to the height from the underside to the top of the hood, viewed from the side. What is with the rear-view mirrors on top of the windshield? That looks weird (like Micky Mouse ears). I like the size of the wheels in proportion to the car size/shape. I think it needs some special chrome rims that look like no other rims on the market.
Thanks!
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| May 21 2001 14:14 | jeff harris | United States | |
| This car is a styling winner. I love the graceful lines and how they all look nice together from any angle. I do not like the seats from the rear view of them. They look like someone put a plastic molded chair into the cockpit. Even the old e-type had luxurious leather seats and headrests. Don't make a mistake and put minimalist seats that are uncomfortable -remember we baby boomers are aging and need to get in and out of these cars with our artificial hips and arthritis. Take a look at the Audi TT or new Lexus SC convertible and you will see gorgeous seating in the cockpit. |
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| May 20 2001 15:39 | Jake Baker | United States | Student |
I can not believe how sexy this car is! I'm ready to sell you my soul for an advance version. I think you should change as little as possible from the current concept version. I specifically love the cockpit and the rear view. Also the windshield should not change at all. Please let us know when we will be able to be put on the waiting list. I'll be sure to be first in line!!!!
Thank you,
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| May 20 2001 04:13 | Scott Sine | United States | Designer |
Dear Jaguar Design Dept,
Please allow me to say that your current concept is excellent so far. PLEASE don't stray from the purity of the design. It's about close to perfect as you can get!
A few suggestions:
1) The windscreen and side window design should stay!!! Even the mirrors. Porsche or BMW could only dream about creating something as romantic. And I'm sure designing a top wouldn't be too difficult.
2) The hood buldge should be oval adding to the sensuality and elligance of the car. Perhaps a modern version of hood vents on either side for the supercharged version (if there is one).
3) The exhaust pipes should be moved toward the middle. Twin aluminized mufflers sticking out the rear stinger style like the E-type would be the perfect Jaguar signature.
So go ahead guys. Dare to make the F-type as achingly beautiful as the E-type. The public wants it more than your (or Fords) marketing Dept. thinks.
Thank you for taking the time to read my comments.
Scott Sine
P.S. If you do make a coupe version of the F-type, PLEASE don't make a 2+2 version this time.
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| May 19 2001 16:38 | james goldsmith | United States | exotic automobile mechanic |
lose the "stagecoach" wheels...
the e-series look is gone; unless you
add scluptured side panel lines
to define the base angle of the car.
the beauty of the xke-type was it didn't look like a water droplet
redefine the pleaseing rear deck line by adding more tail light lamp area i.e.; amber turnsignals, backuplights larger as,in corvette etc. |
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| May 19 2001 01:15 | Anai Patel | Trinidad and Tobago | Student |
i love it. make it. i will buy. just make it.
the original concept was great. the xk180 was a great idea, and i think this model gives all in look that was trying to achieve. except spedd. a supercharged V* in the future maybe?? with a sportier suspention of course.
james bond definitely would ant to go back british on seeing this baby. get on the phone and make this happen. |
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| May 17 2001 23:36 | S.Chaplin | United States | Autowood Restoration |
I may infact have commented before, but have to say after looking at the photos again - LOVE the original concept (especialy the rear end styling), except perhaps the overly large wheels and those mirrors....but the 2001 scetches - No thanks!
E-Type,420,340 & XJ6 S3 |
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| May 17 2001 19:51 | Tom Suit | United States | Software Developer |
Greetings,
I think the F-type is a fantastic idea IF the car will
be comparable in size to a BMW Z3. If you consider
how successful the Z3, Porsche Boxter, and Mazda Miata
have been, it's easy to imagine how the F-type will
sell like hot cakes. Something the size of a Boxter
with the cachet of Jaguar would be hard to beat.
Who knows...maybe James Bond will go back to driving
a British car. (Hint to your marketing people.)
Cheers!
-Tom
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| May 16 2001 02:32 | HELEN | United States | |
SWEET! I LIKE IT! I LIKE THE BODY DESIGHN.IT IS VERRY SMOOTH LOOKING AND IT ALSO LOOKS LIKE A SMALLER CAR.BUT, LIKE ANNY JAGUAR, IT'S PROBABLY DANGEROUSLY FAST.THAT'S ONE THING I CAN GUESS.
SUMMARY:IT'S AN AWESOME CAR. |
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| May 16 2001 02:23 | dan walker | United States | electrical engineer |
the original concept car photos showed the car to be very sporty/racey yet the lastest photos make it
look like a copy of the mazda miata (spelling?).
the original look of the car had something.
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| May 15 2001 00:53 | dave randall | United States | car salesman |
| Love it ... go after Porsche .. Jags were always a nicer all around package till they were Leylandized.. I only hope that the suits do not try to make this car a compromise we want power and handling and a great sound... keep it simple Dave |
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| May 13 2001 07:06 | Jeff Cushing | United States | Investor |
| PLEASE, please consider making the driving position comfortable for a 6'6" individual. Drivers my size are frequently so uncomfortable in converible roadsters that, even though we are ready, willing, and able buyers, we saddly end up purchasing a different vehicle that is so much less fun/exciting just to get a little more room. Thank you! |
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| May 09 2001 23:22 | James Northrup | United States | investor |
I own an E Type roadster, which I have owned since new in 1974. 34,000 miles. Plus a Q 45, MB M 320, Honda Insight (electric) and Saab 9-3.
The original F Type concept car is stunning. As good looking as Carroll Shelby's new car or an Aston Martin Volante.
Newer prototype looks awful. Generic Detroit styling studio speed racer kitsch.
Strongly suggest it be powered it with V-6, but turbocharged, not supercharged, really just a cheap fix - that no road race car would even consider. |
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| May 09 2001 23:09 | michael Timkey | United States | plattsburg state college |
Hello,
My name is Michael Timkey and my father has owned jaguars my entire life, among many other classic British cars. I have always dreamed of designing jaguars and this is as close as i can get right now. I first noticed the tail lights on the prototype and I think they are not adaquate for a "new E-type" the lights should be long and narrow (like 69 e-type). I also noticed that the car has an interior that does not seem fit. I think some stainless toggle switches should be on the dash, like the classic E-type. I also feel that the steering wheel should have a center cap with the jaguar in the center, again like the amazing peice of artwork on the 69 jag.
I like the idea of portraying the E-type but I think your design needs some work.
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| May 09 2001 09:17 | Douglas Prewer | Hongkong | Managing Director |
I must say that the original concept drawings of the proposed new F-Type had serious sex appeal, from the curves of the rear light clusters to the detailing over the wheel arches - it looked stunning. Later on I saw pictures of a new Jaguar that I had initially mistaken for a Mazda - but realised that this was the new F-Type offering from Ford. And then, when I thought about why the dramatic change, I realized that those little four letters said it all.
Back to the original concept chaps or else you will have another EDSEL on your hands. |
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| May 07 2001 17:44 | Kai Su | United States | |
The new 2001 F-Type concept is to me a paradox. I think it looks better, but at the same time less Jaguar-like than the original concept.
Neither has managed to truly capture the style, grace, and sensual feel of the E-Type, witch I still regard as the best looking car ever created, but it stands as a beautiful vehicle in it's own right.
No matter which version Jaguar will decide to produce, I cannot wait to see it on the road. |
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| May 06 2001 20:39 | Roeland Middelkoop | United States | |
Thirty years from now, both the E-Type and XJ-S will still be instantly recognised as Jaguars. The XK8 will still look like a 2-door Taurus, and, if seen from more than five yards away, still mistaken for one. If you are looking to build a Jaguar that people will remember and love for the next twenty to fifty years, don't design it to blend inconspicuously with it's competition. That ought to be obvious, but design philosophy following the III Series XJ6 seems to have been: "Let's keep the Cat incognito." Why not change back to styling that thrills!
Stretch the hood - even if it costs performance, ergonomics or handling.
Increase the curves - you're building a Cat, not bullet.
Reliability's great, but it doesn't need to look like just another Ford/Honda/Mazda to work.
Don't be afraid of distinctive looks! |
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| May 05 2001 21:26 | Greg | United States | |
I hope Jaguar sticks with the design from the 2000 concept car cause the 2001 is too exotic and looses the classic jaguard feel. I am not a jag expert, but I would say a bigger rounder intake with a defined front (rather than meshing into the start of the hood) is what most older jags had and what the F type should incorporate. The 2000 did this wonderfully and I loved it, but the 2001 drawings look awful. I don't like the 2001 lights up the side, I think the back end looks like a Porsche, and I certainly wouldn't buy it.
Please Jaguar, the concensous amoung the public is that the 2000 concept was far better than what you have now. Don't dissapoint us. |
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| May 05 2001 05:53 | Trevor Stanley | Canada | detailer-Jaguar of Calgary |
-2000 concept needs flush covered driving lights
-grill piece to match tone of wheels (black is dull)
-rounded fenders sensually more apealling than 2001
-2001 rear design is more stunning than 2000
-Eliptical exhaust tips may be more unique
-2000 wheels create brilliant reverse illusion
-roofline blends into boot beautifully on 2000
-metallic interior is modern but impractical
-wood in place would be magnificent,fiber optional
-use chrome gauge surrounds
-metal shifter uncomfortable on cold days
Overall a beautiful car, I look forward to seeing this little beauty in the flesh. |
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| May 04 2001 12:19 | Matej Vrabec | Slovenia | Student |
Very beautiful!!
I hardly wait it on the road. |
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| May 04 2001 10:12 | Samantha Young | Canada | |
| It seems to be the general consensus and I tend to agree, the original design for the F-Type was sensuous and sublime, but the revised design leaves much to be desired. It seems to lose the classic grace and elegent lines so inherent in these vehicles. Jaguar definitely should have stuck with the original specs, the new look is saddly disappointing. |
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| May 03 2001 23:35 | Patrick Estenes | United States | |
As owner of many converibles over the years I can offer several comments that should be included in the new F-type:
Glass rear window with defogger.
Plenty of cockpit storage where the wind will not suck papers.
Good sound isolation from road noise - a real problem here in the Pacific Northwest because of studded tire damage to the road surface.
Lined and insulated top - try to keep the dB's down
Leg and head room - I'm just over 6 ft with most of my hight in my trunk. I always have a problem with head room. |
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| May 03 2001 16:11 | Jen | United States | |
| I love that car it is co cool. it is my dream car, and it even has lots of options. i have reseasched this car for computer cause i like it so much. I think who ever made it has very good ideas and i hope that they keep making cars in the future.KICK BUTT CAR!!! |
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| May 03 2001 12:46 | Angus Murray | United Kingdom | Engineer |
| The great Jaguars of the past have been state-of-the art and radical innovations. The XK120 and E-type spring to mind. Jaguar has always developed and evolved its ideas, not, as so commonly recently, harked back to a previous era because they were destitute of styling ideas.Incorporating styling cues from a previous era is fine. Wholesale pastiches are anathema. (I say this as an E-type owner and great enthusiast for Jaguar's past products).The dash on the F-type looks like something from a 1950s kit-car. The steering wheel is awful. The front end of the car is good, the side view uninteresting and the back end pretty poor especially in the 2001 version. The concept car of recent years based on the D-type was, by contrast, quite wonderful, with the exception of the dash which was similar to that of the F-type. (If Jaguar was to build that,they couldn't fail). However any new car should be uncompromisingly contemporary not only mechanically but in terms of overall styling to be successful.What we definitely don't want are Jaguar badged Fords with the bland mediocrity designed to appeal to the masses.Good cars are successful compromises but compromising the looks is the biggest mistake you can make.The E-type looked spectacular. Did anyone care that it leaked water, held the road worse than a mini, drank fuel at 18mpg,was awkward to get into,had no luggage space in the roadster,was torsionally weak at the front end,had uncomfortable seats on the 3.8, had a gearbox little different from those of the 1930s with poor synchromesh? Hell No! Its looks more than made up for those problems. You can see from all the other comments how vital most people consider the styling and how they see the most recent changes as retrograde. |
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| May 02 2001 19:27 | William L. MacLeod | United States | President & CEO |
I bought my first new car in 1962, an MGA MK II, but the XKE was my real love - just out of reach financially. The E embodied everything that other sports cars of the era aspired to be. It was elegant, confortable, powerful, fast and unique. A "Certified Car Nut," I owned, and raced (SCCA National), many sports cars over the years, including Healys, Corvette Stingrays ('64 - '67), and other classics. But the ones I admired most, but never quite got, were the D and the E by Jaguar. Alas, the whole era faded, assailed by regulations, mis-management, and market vagaries.
Recently, we have seen a revival in this type of viscerally exciting automobile. Some have been extraordinary executions (witness the Miata), others have been dismal failures. The original F-type design has the potential to continue the legacy of the E-type. The revised F-type looks more like something a cartoonist turned out. An attempt at flashy, attention getting design, without the sophistication, flow, and understated aesthics of a true Jaguar. Please, look at the original Jaguar, the animal, that is, for your inspiration. Perhaps Toyota would be interested in the second F-type design. It looks like something the Japanese would build. And please, please build it in a smooth coupe version, ala E-type and XK8. Also, supercharged V6 and (dare I dream) supercharged V8 versions would truly put Jaguar at the head of the pack, again! I currently own a new XK8 coupe (platinum) and plan to order an XKR in the near future.
Yes, I would purchase the original design F-type in a coupe version also, but not the revised design F-type. |
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| May 02 2001 12:07 | glyn michael thomas | United Kingdom | Consultant |
This is an exciting car, and like many others I
have already put down an advanced order deposit.
From some experience, and considering we have had
(so far)over 12 months of rain in the UK.
Can we see a hard top (like the Porche boxster). Additionally if you live and work in London,
you might not appreciate a frequently slashed
soft roof and stolen items...(not garaged)..
I would also like a modern clever keyless (like the TVRs)security system fitted (for insurance too).
I think all the best enduring designs incorporate ergonomic useability, practically and are fit for purpose. I don't want to run two motor cars, I want to run one, this new Jaguar F-type...
Please let the dream come alive...
Glyn |
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| May 01 2001 12:40 | David Cox | United Kingdom | Student Doctor |
| It's incredible! You're on to a good thing - but stick to the first concept (2000). Find a way to put a roof on it and you're there. The second concept (2001) makes me think of a Porsche Boxter, especially the rear lights. I'm sure Jaguar wants to release a product that makes you think "Jaguar!", not "Porsche?"... |
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| May 01 2001 11:38 | Juergen Hosthausen | Germany | Occupational therapist |
| My son told me, he ordered such a Jag F-Type! I saw this "thing" and I understand instantly!! |
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| Apr 30 2001 20:22 | Rich Mane | Marshall Islands | Owner of 3000 Starbucks |
| Hi there I'm Rich. |
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| Apr 30 2001 11:27 | Richard Kerr | United Kingdom | Computer Engineer |
I have just seen the new concept design and Oh my God! Jaguar please don't do it. You were on to a good even great thing with one of the most beatyful cars that I have ever seen. You have to keep the car as the original Detriot concept.
Based on the original version have already got my a place on the waiting list with my local Jaguar dealer, but seeing the lastest effort that decision will have to be re-thinked when it comes to parting with some cash!!! If it satys in it's current form (2nd concept) I think I shall be giving a wide berth.
The original is the best looking car to be design in years. It encapulates all the character of the great E and D-types with modern day reliablity and comfort.
If Jaguar doesn't want to ruin what they have now started, my advice to stick to the original and won't even change one thing. |
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| Apr 28 2001 01:07 | Josh | Australia | |
| The first F-type design was so much better looking the lights looked better on the first and so did the rest of the car build the first design i would by it the only problem is im 14 |
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| Apr 27 2001 00:25 | thomas morash | United States | |
| this is the hottest car jaguar has ever come up with why would you even think of not wanting to put this into production |
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| Apr 26 2001 19:54 | Sov Leang | United States | VP of Corporate Development |
| I just realized that the design has changed considerably!! Please keep the old design, otherwise I will not buy the car. The second design is positively ugly!! |
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| Apr 26 2001 19:49 | Sov Leang (Sovarong) | United States | VP of Corporate Development |
Hi, I have put in my $5K deposit already here and I am excited to be one of the first to get your fantastic car. I hope that it will have the following 3 options, which are very important to me:
1) automatic retracted top (like MB SLK or Lexus SC430)
2) run-flat tire option (save trunk space, and even at $1-3K extra, well worth the money)
3) DVD GPS navigational system.
I'd also like the 300 hp version to be available asap, and to have classy wood trimming in the cockpit. I don't care much about the price, as long as it is below $70K.
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| Apr 26 2001 07:19 | Nick J Stilwell | United Kingdom | Chartered Engineer Road Safety |
The concept model displayed at Goodwood last year was THE most beautiful car I have ever seen!
I understand it gave problems for roof stowage, but please don't stray far from this original concept! I will be placing my order, if you keep to this. The Autocar sketch, I will not!!
Thanks for the opportunity to comment. |
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| Apr 25 2001 18:54 | joseph v limongelli | United States | buisness owner |
UNLIKE MANY THAT WILL ADD TO THIS SURVEY I COME FROM FROM A UNIQUE SIDE. NOT ONLY DO I OWN MY 95 XJ6 , 70 ETYPE AND THE REST OF MY FAMILY HAS PURCHASED IN THE LAST 14 MONTHS 6MORE NEW JAGS. I AM THE PURIST IN THE BUNCH ALREADY CUTTING A DEAL WITH MY BROKER TO BE THE FIRST ON MY BLOCK WHEN THE F TYPE COMES OUT.BBBUUUTTT
IF THE ALTERATIONS THAT I HAVE SEEN COME TRUE ON THE SECOND CONCEPT, COUNT ME OUT.I CAN BUY ANY CAR BUT MY LOYALTY RUNS DEEP . PLEASE DONT FORD/MINI BMW THIS CAR TOO THERES TO MANY BLAND CARS ALREADY.PLEASE LEAVE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. PLEASE.P.S. I ALSO STILL OWN MY 66 STINGRAY CONVERTABLE,AND 54 MERCURY . YOU KNOW WHY? STYLE , PURE STYLE
THANKS JOSEPH V LIMONGELLI |
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| Apr 25 2001 16:21 | Niels van Roij | Netherlands | student |
I'm a huge Jaguar-lover. I'm working on my own Jaguar-website (it isnt'on the WWW yet) My future dream is becoming a Jaguar car-designer. I've send already a design of a Jaguar S-type Shooting-Break to "Jaguar Nederland" (The Jaguar importer of the Netherlands)
The new F-type design is a very nice one. I think the XK180 and the first F-type (I saw the F-type concept at the Auto RAI, the auto show in Amsterdam (2001)) looks a bit more "Jaguar" then the 2nd F-type but I like the "E-type rear-lights" of the 2nd design. Make the F-type as shocking as the E-type was (and still is) Make the F-type a real head turner.
I would be very honour if you give me the oppertunity to send you a copy of the S-type Shooting-Break by e-mail, pease give me your addres!
Yours truly
Niels van Roij |
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| Apr 25 2001 06:15 | derek anderson | New Zealand | Locomotive Engineer |
| Love the design. |
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| Apr 24 2001 19:51 | Steven Green | United Kingdom | Analyst |
Please revert back to something closer to the original design. The original design was perfect with the rounded flowing lines, and curves. When I buy a Jaguar I want it to look like a Jaguar - the original design could only be Jaguar - the latter design is nothing special.
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| Apr 24 2001 06:50 | Howard Bollinger | United States | hasbro toy design executive |
I fell in love with Jaguars in the early 50's in high school. Bought my first xk 120 in 1959. Bought my 1961 E Type roadster in 1970. I drive the car all the time. I've owned 6 other Jaguars including presently a 1953 xk 120 FHC and a 1954 xk 120 OTS which is the reigning national champion in JCNA Concours Class 2.
My comments on the new F Type are based upon 31 years of driving my E Type and listening to the comments of thousands of individuals. My commentary is also based on my executive design background dealing with corporate situations wherein decisions to produce a particular product design are sometime directed by those who are risk aversive. William Lyons was a risk taker, he created a design in the E Type that was an absolute classic. If the E Type had never been done at all and if that design came out as the new F Type in the next few years, it would be at that time, still, the best looking car in the world! Please, do not flatten the lines, do not fatten the shape, do not make the new F Type another "jellybean" shape 5% different than everything out there now. Stay with the spirit of the man who created that beautiful shape with all it's relationships to the feminine form, so flowing, so smooth, so well proportioned front to rear. It should not be chopped, not mechanised by harsh lines, no dissecting panels with vertical interruptions and outlining wheel openings with bands and creases. No heavy rear end, no pushed in, pugnosed, front end. Take the ultimate risk and make this the most beautiful retro based Jaguar that in itself will create a new standard for the visual passion that Jaguar has always aroused in the consumer. Don,t just play it safe and make another "mecho panelized jellybean."
Jaguar Forever, Howard Bollinger Cincinnati, Ohio |
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| Apr 24 2001 05:54 | Jack Fruchtman | United States | |
I was going to put a deposit down for an F type after seeing pictures of the prototype and the production announcement. However, the "production" version has little of the design appeal that attracted me to the concept car. The rear end looks like a BMW Z7 and the front end like a Toyota Celica. The original design was modern and retro at the same time; with prominent round tail lights and E type headlamps. It is also more rounded; more in keeping with it's E heritage.
PS: I have not put down a deposit! |
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| Apr 23 2001 22:22 | Patrick Curtis | United States | |
| I believe the new F Type kicks ass. It is awesome. I was hoping to see a price somewhere on this page.No Luck. |
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| Apr 23 2001 13:19 | Thomas wilson | United States | construction manager |
YOU FOLKS HAVE LOST IT !!!!!!!!! Who is designing this cookie cutter ----? I believe that FORD's heavy hand is making itself known. You are way off on this new design, way off. Somebody needs to look real hard at original style lines. Look at the natural cat (the real one) and see the original lines, then bring them to the modern technology. This thing you propose looks like a Porsche speedster bigger, fatter and squashed!!! C'mon give the Marque it's class and style back.
On another note, the X-type what happened there? Did the design team run out of ideas and decide the easiest thing was to stick a Ford rear body panel on it? What a shame, what a insult.
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| Apr 23 2001 08:17 | clifford Yap | Canada | |
| The contour windscreen on the XK180 is the sexiest part of car. Eliminating that and the F-type loses its greatest appeal! |
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| Apr 23 2001 01:28 | Nick | Canada | 11th Grade Student |
| I have been a Jag enthusiast ever since i can remember. I can remember driving in my Dad's old 1963 3.8 E-Type Roadster and wishing that they still made it. I also remember reading that William Lyons, the Original Jaguar / SS Founder (for those ignorant to Jaguar's heritage) said that no V8 would be as pure, smooth, refined, or compare to a straight six. Now to all these gearheads who want to see supercharged V8s, you are nuts. That is a Ford idea to incorporate V8s in Jags line. Now a little note for people who dont know. When Ford bought Jag, and Aston they switched design teams and the F-Type concept of 1993 is ironically the same as the Aston DB7 (seeing the DB7 is based on the SAME EXACT platform of the XJ-S and the fact that it uses a six). Now another interesting fact is the NEW Aston Martin Vantage... It uses a 6.0 liter V12 that resembles the TWR V12 (used in late XJ-Ss). Whats going on there. Maybe Ford should STOP assimilating pure companies and think about enthusiasts. Like when Ford bought Volvo, thousands of classic body panels were destroyed. And this has obviously happened to Jag. Jag is Ford. Lincoln LS is S-Type (but you can get the Lincoln in 5spd). XJ-8 is Taurus SHO, and if people havent noticed, some dash knobs and instruments on the S-Type are EXACT to Ford Contour. Way to pay 30k more for a "Jag". If you are affluent, by Aston (cause its Jag), and otherwise BMW did a nice job designing the NEW F-Type (Z8)...Stay Pure. dont skimp, and dont put V8s in jags... |
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| Apr 21 2001 15:52 | S. Pare | United States | Software engineer |
The first design was a sexy and gorgeous masterpiece! Please, don't put a big "tire burner" under the hood; Jaguar is a synonym for refinement and performance, no need for a big bad gas guzzler. This is a roadster: make it rigid, light and well balanced and the V6 will do the job. The four-wheels drive version is a great idea even if the car have to be heavier; no owner will be embarrassed to be aside of any Porshe Boxter S with that! Mustangs and Vipers already exist, please make something different!
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| Apr 20 2001 23:04 | MArk Riley | United States | Physics Professor |
Ever since I was a kid in the 60's cleaning, waxing,
loving, my Uncle's E-type I have been a Jag nut. I own an E and a XJS and fell for the original F-type concept car. I agree with so many here in that the newer designs just aren't as "fantastic". The rear of the car in particular. Can you go back to the first design and freeze it essentially there please! |
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| Apr 20 2001 00:18 | R. Allison | United States | Manager, Application Support |
To my eye, the original concept is far superior to the design currently being shopped around.
This is particularly true from the A-pillar forward. While the newly-concieved rear-end is adequate--and perhaps more practical--it is also a bit less adventurous and a lot more derivative. And I absolutely must echo other's remarks about the hideous wheels and grotesque headlights of the newer design.
As to mechanicals: Handling is more important to me than quickness; top-end speed is less so. I'd be quite satisfied with the rumoured supercharged V-6 w/ all-wheel drive. Make sure she's a joy on winding two-lane blacktops, with plenty of reserve power for overtaking. Sporting, rather than bloodthirsty.
FORD/JAGUAR MARKETING STAFF--listen up: I'm heading into my peak earning years, and the earlier F-Type design was brilliant enough to make me start planning for my purchase. The latest designs are not up to snuff, and as shown would not entice me to give you my money. |
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| Apr 18 2001 23:43 | Bruce Lummis | United States | |
| The 2000 Jaguar F-Type design is outstanding and I suggest that Jaguar stick to their original scheme. My first impression was sufficiant for me to purchased the #3 delivery slot at my local dealer. However I have heard delivery dates up to 2005 and by then I may be looking for assisted living quarters. Does anyone know with any degree of certainty what Jaguar is up to concerning production as of this date? |
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| Apr 17 2001 20:14 | Simon Joseph | United Kingdom | |
| We all know the F type is drop dead gorgeous, and thank goodness for that. Now we need to show the rest of the world (BMW, Merc & Porsche) that we know how to make a complete car by putting a decent motor in it. Not just a scabby Ford V6, we want an extreme version, something to make headlines like the 150 mph E type of '61. We need a Supercharged V8. Lets do it properly now we've got the chance! |
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| Apr 16 2001 03:39 | Edd Mangino | United States | Art Director |
When I saw the F-type concept at the North American International Auto Show in January, 2000, I was absolutely smitten by it. The shape and proportions were so nearly flawless (although I would prefer tail lights more reminiscent of the 1961 E-type's), I'd have ordered one on the spot if someone from Jaguar would have taken a deposit!
However, I have absolutely no interest in the revised design study shown in 2001.
Please, Jaguar, don't blow it! You had the design right the first time! Don't second-guess it into oblivion!
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| Apr 16 2001 00:21 | Richard Libby | United States | restorer |
| It would be nice to have it look a little more like an E tpe than what you've done with the X and XJ6. I know Ford has taken over, but, do you have to make EVERYTHING look like a Taurus SHO. I know designs take time to catch on, but, believe you me when I pass a car I don't want them thinking I'm in a FAWD!! |
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| Apr 14 2001 13:09 | Matthew farrar | United Kingdom | Student |
| At first impression the F-type seems rather nice. I cannot believe that there can be a true replacement for the E-type, the sucess of the E-type was down to a combination of forward thinking styling, competitve pricing and the fact that nothing else on the market came close, this was well known to Enzo Ferrari! I am sure that the F-type will appeal to E-type fans because it has a nice has a nice mixture of contempory styling and classic Jaguar lines. I do however believe that its success may be limited to Jaguar enthusiasts who can recognise its individual sense of style, this is a shame. I hope that when it comes into production the need for classic styling is recognised because this is where much of its potential is contained. I would love to have the funding for ownership but this will proberbly not be possible! I wish Jaguar every success in this interesting concept. |
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| Apr 13 2001 18:42 | Roy Austin | United States | Technician |
Love the front end and side profiles, Hate the frenched
Ford Falcon tailights. Would like to see a wood dash
as an option, Makes me think more of Jaguar, Also think
the center section of hte steering wheel is to massive for this interior. All wheel drive as an option, and
pricing and performance commensurate with Audi's TT
make it perfect. |
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| Apr 13 2001 17:01 | Charles Wooster | United States | Architect |
| My father instilled in me the pride of Jaguar ownership with his gorgeous and uniquely Jaguar XK140MC, which he purchased in 1955. When I saw the concept version of the F-type, I was floored and immediately made plans to buy one. Now that I see the Boxteresque rear end and the loss of the classic E-type bonnet, I am extrememely disappointed. Please remain true as possible to the original concept! You had a masterpiece! |
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| Apr 12 2001 21:07 | Josh Carney | United States | |
| I think this car is awsome! Don't change a thing. The people at Jaguar are doing a great job, keep up the good work! |
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| Apr 11 2001 13:14 | Richard Perea | United States | Financial Planner/ChFC |
| As the new S type was successful because it is a true recapture of a classic look and feel, so too should the F type regain what was avoiced--if not lost--in the new XK, as nice as that car is. This is an amazing opportunity for Jaguar to demonstrate sophistication, sensitivity, market savy and that most rare of commodities in today's commercial world: HERITAGE. That should be Jaguar's stock in trade, and a commodity which Ford has purhased extremely cheaply. TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT, DON"T abandon the round rear lights, and create a new classic--light, fast and luxe. |
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| Apr 10 2001 04:49 | earl | United States | usaf chaplain |
| the wagon wheels are gruesome and remind me of the white ones on the tr7. stick to curves as opposed to lines on the hood and front dam area; much more e-ish. out of sync with other opinions, maybe the round taillights are too antique. the curve wraps are more e-vocative. one of the universal shocks of the e-type was that it was within reach of a young professional. i don't expect it in del sol range, but please don't put this one over the moon either. |
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| Apr 08 2001 23:44 | Charles W. Fritz | United States | Retired Naval Aviator |
| Two things are most important (1) It must look like no other car and be recognizable from any angle as a JAGUAR; and (2) It must be competive on the track. These are the things that made the E Type famous. |
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| Apr 08 2001 13:51 | Max | Netherlands | Business analyst |
Off course practically everyone agrees the original design is better looking than what Jaguar is showing us now. However I can also understand Jaguar needs to make it street legal and also affordable.
Remember that the relatively low price of the E-type was a big reason for its success.
I can only hope Jaguars engineers will be able to keep as much of the original F-type concept alive while also pleasing Fords financial people.
I hope they can keep the circular taillights cause the new backside reminds me too much of the porsche 928 and BMW Z8.
As for engines I'd go for the supercharged V8 and maybe a supercharged V6 (if it ever comes for the X-type).
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| Apr 08 2001 12:27 | Lorne | Canada | retired |
| I was very impressed and enthused by the original design I saw. When I saw the changes that have been made to it since, my interest faded. |
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| Apr 08 2001 03:24 | Nick | Canada | |
| I feel that the original design of the F-Type was by far the best design yet, but i feel that the BMW Z8 captures more of the E-Type. The F-Type is basically an XK8 / XKR with more of an XK180 body. And it makes no sense whatsoever to make the F-Type in the Mazda Miata / Honda S2000 market. If the F-Type is to go into production it should be targeted at the Mercedes Benz S500, or the Porsche 911, and more likely the new BMW M3 Cabriolet. Jaguar has had a prestigious name since the introduction of the XK-120, and why should they now "chinse" out by making econo boxes like the "X-Type", and the potential "F-Type". In my opinion it is Fords intervention. Jaguar should start allowing more personalized options for overseas models. Wouldn't it be great to let an XK-R or an XJ-R rip with a 6 speed manual transmission. Wouldn't some people like to see 6 cylinder Jags again, as opposed to V8s. Wouldn't people like to see Jags that have unique platforms instead of sharing Lincoln platforms. And last, would people like to see what the real F-Type was supposed to be (Aston Martin DB7), i know i would, but it seems that the greedy market developers at Ford would rather have $250k for an Aston as opposed to #90k for a Jag, but isn't it for the customer to decide. |
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| Apr 07 2001 22:39 | Ken Borg | United States | DENTIST |
| LIKE SO MANY OTHER COMMENTS I HAVE READ ABOUT THE F-TYPE....THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS SPECTACULAR, ORIGINAL, VERY REMINISCENT OF THE E-TYPE, AND ALL JAGUAR. WHEN I SAW THE LATEST MODIFICATIONS TO THE DESIGN, I WAS VERY DISSAPPOINTED.....THE CHANGES MADE IT LOOK LIKE SO MANY OTHER CARS...NOT JAGUAR, NOT DISTINCTIVE. WE HOPE YOU'LL GO BACK TO THE INITIAL DESIGN AND MAKE IT WORKABLE INSTEAD OF SETTLING ON A COMPROMISE. DO THAT, AND I'LL MAKE PLANS TO BE A BUYER! |
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| Apr 07 2001 22:38 | Bruce Constable | United States | |
Me-thinks they are going to hang some bumpers on it, and that would be like a moustache on the Mona Lisa!
Otherwise.... maybe I'll finally get to own that D-type I've always dreamed of. |
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| Apr 07 2001 19:10 | David S. | United States | Management Consultant |
| Absolutely beautiful car..., however, I must concur with the other purists on this web-site. This car DOES NOT need the BMW Z8-esque lighting in the rear. Return to the classic styling, and I (as a person with much knowledge of marketing) will guarantee a better and stronger market. This I can guarantee, because without the return of the circular taillights, I don't plan on purchasing. Sorry. |
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| Apr 07 2001 16:44 | maiac J | Italy | brokers |
| la vera spaccimona di machina |
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| Apr 05 2001 19:19 | Kelly | United States | 8th grader |
| This car is.....awesome! There is not another word that can describe it! Yeah sure, I'm an 8th grader, but i LOVE cars. And i LOVE this car! Great job on the design although it could be finalized a little bit more. Other that than....great job! I fell in love with the concept of this car! The cockpit is a classic! Great job on going back in time to select the design. Thank you for making this car!!! Great modern and "historical" design. Love it. |
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| Apr 03 2001 18:42 | robson | United States | attorney |
| I share what appears to be the prevailing sentiment at this site that something not entirely quantifiable has been lost between the original concept (round tail lights), which had a more retro feel, and the more recent photos. My hope is that in the intervening 3 years to production, consumer sentiment will convince the company to return to the design that led to deposits around the world (I'm 8th in Fort Lauderdale). |
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| Apr 03 2001 16:10 | ST | United States | MD |
| Can't wait for this car. The styling of the tail lights shown in the 2001 production announcement pack has got to go though, looks too much like a Porshe Boxter. If I wanted a Boxter, I could buy one now! The original concept car styling is original, retro, and much more appealing ... in my humble opinion. The styling changes shown in the 2001 production pack are almost all changes for the worse. |
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| Apr 03 2001 13:21 | KJ | United Kingdom | |
| I fell in love with the concept and got my deposit down (I'm high on the list in the UK)! I would hate to see it watered down, it's a true modern interpretation of a classic design. Every detail is stunning. If I wanted to drive a 'futuristic vision' I would go to another manufacturer. If I wanted a Boxster or a Z3, I would buy one of those. A Jag is a Jag is a dream -- so sell me a Jag and I will buy my dream: I grew up yearning for an E-type ... |
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| Apr 02 2001 21:34 | Paul Carroll | United States | Engineer |
| Nice looking car the new "F-type", but it lacks the graceful lines of the SI XKE... So I am saving my pennies for one of those, not the F, irrespective of other factors. |
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| Mar 31 2001 17:50 | toño | Mexico | |
el jaguar f-type, es el mas hermoso carro que he visto, pero me refiero al concepto original, por que el concepto 2001 es una basura, espero que el carro que salga al mercado sea como el original.
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| Mar 30 2001 22:49 | Baldwin | United States | Marketing Exec |
I believe earliest design had more of what I would look for in a car of this stature. Don't water it down, keep the curves pronounced and the engine needs to be in the 450+HP range to even be considered.
I bought my first XJS in 1990 and was very interested in the new F type until I saw the V6... Don't make the mistake of underpowering the car unless the pricetag with compensate. I do not assume this will be a $45,000 car with a glorified mustang engine. |
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| Mar 30 2001 21:14 | Chris Morton | United States | Software & Hardware Guy |
Unlike the XK-8, it must have a five- or six-speed manual gearbox option.
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| Mar 30 2001 14:00 | Terry Chapman | United Kingdom | |
| I've seen two sets of pictures, and it seems clear to me that designs are still fairly fluid. I'm sure though that the final car will be beautiful and definitively Jaguar. |
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| Mar 28 2001 23:16 | Scott | United States | Software |
OK, I've also paid my deposit. I'm number 9 on the list in Denver.
But that was based on the F-Type shown in 2000.
The 2001 press kit turned me off completely. Seems like they are moving from a distinctive jag look to a every other new millennium Boxter, Z-type look. Be a leader, not a follower. Bring back the round tail lights. The earlier front looked beautiful with the jag head lights and big face intake grill. All of the above, complemented by the 2 piece wheels looked more like a power packed jag than the 2001 Bat-mobile rendering.
Also, the car needs more horses, I can get an 500 horsepower M5 or a supercharged M3 by 2004 that will absolutely blow the doors off of the F-Type 330 horse version. And the M series are a dream to drive.
But having said that, for me, nothing compares to the style and luxury of a Jag. And not to sound like a snob, I don't want drive around in a stylish car that practically anyone can afford to own. It may not be right, but owning a Jag should be an accomplishment.
Bottom line, if the F-type ends up like the 2001 press pack, I'll move to the BMW wait list.
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| Mar 28 2001 19:26 | Marcel | Netherlands | |
The F-type concept was awesome, I find it one of the most stylish cars in years. A couple of weeks ago I saw the production announcement and think they made a great mistake by "stripping" quite a lot of distinctive features!
Sad, very sad! |
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| Mar 28 2001 11:11 | A. CLERC | Switzerland | |
| The first F-type I have seen in Geneva was a real "coup de coeur", but the evolution of the prototype is not the good solution, the result is to close to the Porsche Boxster.The price must be right and I think many peaple will buy. |
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| Mar 28 2001 02:17 | Brian O'Connell | United States | engineer |
The design is graceful and evocative of the E-type. I had an E-type for 19 years and my wife still mourns the day we sold it.
I saw the prototype of the XK-180 at Meadow Brook in 1998 or 1999. It is an exotic, but I doubt it can really make it into production without compromising the impracticalities. Such as "shall we put a roof on it?"
I continue to be puzzled at the trend (fashion?) of larger and larger diameter wheels. Is there some theory I am not grasping? Don't the tires help absorb road shock? |
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| Mar 27 2001 19:11 | thomas inwood | United States | professional |
I heard recently that the design of the F-type needs to be 'finalized' in the next month or so. Please do not change the deign from that seen at Detroit last year any more than absolutely necessary. I have seen the latest drawings and the back end has lost its Jaguar-ness. The recent drawings' headlamp treatment is way less attractive than the prtotype seen at Detroit.
Geoff Lawson said that Jaguars have a 'DNA' that connects them, and lets one know immediately that the car they are gazing upon is a Jaguar. This essence, or DNA was so properly captured in the prototype that only the few concessions to manufacturing are needed. Jaguar does not need to change anything for this car to be an instant success. This car needs to be a world beater - and in the current appearance it is 'just right'. As with the E-type 40 years ago the design (as Enzo said of the E upon its introduction)is one upon which you cannot improve. Leave the F-type alone also. Thanks for letting me comment. |
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| Mar 26 2001 16:53 | VAN WESEMAEL | Netherlands | |
I LOVED THE FIRST CONCEPT OF THE F,(2000 CONCEPT).
THE ONLY THING THAT WAS WRONG WAS THE STEERING WEEL
FOR THE REST IT WAS PURE ART !!!!!.
THE LATEST ARTISTIMPRESSION LOOKS TERRIBLE (2001), DONT TRY TO MAKE AN SECOND P.BOXTER .
KEEP THE LINE IN STYLE LIKE THE FIRST CONCEPT.
A SPARTAN INTERIOR,WITH A POWERFULL ENGINE.
JUST LIKE THE FIRST E-TYPE SERIES 1.
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| Mar 25 2001 21:14 | Darrell | Canada | Graduate Student |
This was taken from EVO magazine; I hope that the production F-Type doesn't look too much like the current sketches, as this article suggests.
"The bad news is that it’s not likely to be with us before 2004. The good news is that Jaguar has confirmed that the F-type is to go into production.
It’s just over a year since Keith Helfet’s gorgeous F-type concept first slackened jaws at the Detroit Motor Show. Despite rave reviews and a hugely positive reaction from the public, it’s a very different F-type that will go on sale in three years’ time.
Helfet’s original lines have been developed by Jaguar and Aston Martin design chief Ian Callum, and the sketches here are a clear indication as to the direction Callum wishes to take future Jaguar designs.
‘We want to ring the changes for the next generation of Jags. The look is
more aggressive, more extreme,’ says Callum. A resemblance to the classic E-type is obviously still important. Just as significantly, the new direction makes the design and engineering of a practical hood much easier; an essential factor in the F-type’s productionisation.
Although most of the major decisions are yet to be made regarding the F-type’s final specification, the smart money is on a chassis built using the rivet-bonded aluminium tub construction first seen in the Morgan Aero 8, and subsequently the Aston Martin Vanquish. The body is likely to be a mix of aluminium and composite materials.
Power will come from a development of the S-type V6, either in 2.5-litre, 200bhp form, or possibly a new 3.2-litre version with 250bhp. We could even see an F-type powered by the yet-to-be-announced X-type R’s supercharged, 330bhp V6.
The entry-level F-type will be aggressively priced at around £30,000, making it a direct rival to the Porsche Boxster. With Aston also planning to use the F-type platform for a £60,000, V8-powered competitor to the Porsche 911, Ford clearly wishes to make life as tough as possible for the Stuttgart marque."
-EVO
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| Mar 25 2001 16:48 | barry truax | United States | advertising |
| Keep in mind, ROOM!!!! Humans are getting larger. I can't drive my XKE with the top up!!!! |
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| Mar 24 2001 15:04 | Michielsen | United States | Computer Consultant |
| So far, looks great. Please spend as much time on the rear styling as the front. The S type and X type look fine from the front but are just another Ford Taurus from the rear. Since we all want it to be fast we hope that other drivers will only see the rear and want to let them know that a Jag passed them. |
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| Mar 24 2001 14:11 | Andre | United States | Architectural Design |
| The photographs of your F type show me a nice looking Mazda Miata. Don't be afraid to incorporate Jaguars past into the future. Stop looking at other car makers and be true to the heritage. |
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| Mar 24 2001 01:07 | J T Ruth | United States | pilot |
| Trustme on this. Make it look just like the E-type 1.Update the techno stuff and make performance just like the Vett killer. Don't pay any attention to those Ford people behind the curtain. Make this a really reliable trustworthy high perfomance machine.No screw ups. Its time to take back the Empire! Trust me on thisIf Jag would put the xk-e type back in production they would not be able to make them fast enough.I don't know one woman who does not lust after an xk-e.If I could buy a new one I would have one. If you can bring it in around the 30,000 to40,000 us dollars price range you will be back on top. That having been said, be sure that this car is just about bomb proof.ie: starts every time, no leaks,rattles,works good and lasts a long time.I don't care if your Manchester supporters. Go for it. |
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| Mar 23 2001 19:08 | thom | Netherlands | student |
Dear Jaguar websites builders / and lovers,
I love that car( the Ftype), and I certaintly am going to buy it. I like it much more than my girlfriend, unfotunately is she a lot cheaper. (Don't tell anyone). I really would like to know what the prize of such as car is. And wich design is it going to be on this homepage? the right from below or the left. I do hope the left one is the one which Jaguar is going to produce.
I look forward to get an answer soon.
Yours sincerely,
thom janssen |
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| Mar 23 2001 17:46 | Gene Gundeson | United States | Engineer |
I own and operate an XJ-S. I hope the new F model will be more of a sports car and not a "luxury touring" automobile. I love the current press release photos. I hope the styling does not end up on the drawing board only. It has rekindled my desire to own another Jaguar and I am waiting to see if the production model can do it. I only hope it does not become another attempt to sell the car on image and past history. Please make it something that will perform and handle like a true sports car should. Power, handling and dependability should be top priority. Don't make it an over priced copy of something else. Make it perform. Make it handle. Give back to the owner the love of owning and driving the marque. Coupes and roadsters - yes. Optional performance packages - yes. Cram as powerful an engine into it as possible and give me the manual stick options.
Lets get this thing out there!!
I grew up loving British sports cars (50's and 60's)and hope this new one will give back the zing! |
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| Mar 23 2001 15:14 | Roberto | Italy | |
| The actual overall design is just great. Better then the previous release. I'd like to see air intakes on the side. I don't like that much the rear: it is too similar to a Boxster. Maybe, the bonnet should be longer. But most of all: this car must be light and fast. I own a XKR, great car, but too much of a smoothy. Give a look to Lotus Elise, instead. Forget refinement (if you want take an XK instead). Most of all, this car must be faaast! And, build it fast! We don't know if the design will still look that great in 2005... |
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| Mar 22 2001 00:09 | Chic Meyer | United States | Banker |
| I like the 2001 production press pack slit tailights much better than the round tailights on the original concept car. In fact the entire rear of the car is much more attractive. Much like the series 1 E-Type. Otherwise, it is purrfect. Just build it as fast as possible. |
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| Mar 21 2001 19:48 | Panky Nefkens | Netherlands | Director |
The F is a great car, brings the jag. history of a street sportscar back!!!
It's a blody shame that we have to wait for so long, we should make a world "urgent letter" and gived it to Jaguarcomp. in England.
I have already make a reservation at Jaguar Netherlands
this will be a collectible item in the longrun.
My new XK8R convertible 2001 will soon be deliverd, but it will be nice if the F will come sooner!!! |
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| Mar 21 2001 17:07 | Lance Weekley | United States | Pilot |
All I can say is that the actual F type had better be darn close to the show car. Otherwise, just what were we looking at anyway?
Lance |
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| Mar 21 2001 02:20 | Ken White | Australia | |
I have seen some photos in a recent magazine (maybe Belle ?) that in my opinion make the rear end of the F-Type appear like a Porsche Boxster rather than how it was originally.
Is this due to bad photography or has the design changed?
If the latter, ie. design change, PLEASE don't.
Also the appearance of the lights running up the front mudguards in the same photos is not to my liking.
Otherwise keep up the good work. |
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| Mar 20 2001 08:50 | djeanta | Sweden | |
| excellent... just excellent! |
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| Mar 19 2001 16:25 | Sean Munroe | Australia | Student |
I am a proud owner of a 1980 V12 5.3 XJ-S. This was supposed to be the successor to the E-type. In some respects I believe it is, but as we know the general public were a bit slow to accept the XJ-S and was not accepted as a true successor in the eyes of many.
I believe it is important that it is (F-type) to be widely accepted immediately to become a successful successor to the E-type and go down in the pages of books for many years after production has ceased, just as the E-Type has.
The styling of the F-type has appealed to and captivated a person I know who was only interested in Land Rovers.
Another person I know thought the styling was good except for the low roofline. I explained to him that this was for aero dynamics as it is intended to be very fast, and he then understood the thinking behind it.
Personally I believe the styling to be sensational and radical all-round (referring to photos on the Jag lovers site 20/3/2001), except for the fact that the interior from the photo looks as if it is lacking the typical growling Jaguar badges on the steering wheel etc. I also believe the alloy wheels to be a bit bland as well as the instrument layout on the dash. I believe the wheels could be improved by incorporating the old chrome spoked wheels with the new growling Jaguar badge in the centre. However I like the view from the back and front most of all and the futuristic but slightly bland look of the interior. The large wheels on the low body make it look aggressive, fast and would make itself a presence on the road.
I believe it should made be available with the option of manual and automatic transmission, even a steptronic transmission. A few engine options should be available, and in the spirit of the E-type as well as the ability to take on other manufacturers a completely new 6.0 litre quad cam V12 should be available. Which could possibly be turbo or supercharged as well, if not both.
It should also have every technological feature as standard or available as options that have been developed from now until 2005 for example DVD, MD player and voice activated controls.
It should also be made light as well, for example a light monoque and carbon fibre body and as the E-type was available as a DHC and FHC. A wide variety of colour options should be available including chromatic paint.
An emphasis of Jaguar's usual overall refinement will also be important on the F-type.
Thanks for taking the time to read this.
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| Mar 19 2001 02:53 | Roderick Smith | Australia | |
| Please, Please give the F-Type a manual gear box. Its hard to take a sportscar seriously when it is available only in automatic. I have an XK8 and love it dearly (now I've had the exhaust modified to SOUND like a sportscar!) but I ache for a six speed manual. Heres your chance to get it right with the F-Type! Keep up the great work and the excitement! |
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| Mar 18 2001 19:42 | malcolm mcnabb | United States | business owner |
| Beautiful design, perfection , I have already began kissing up too the wife .Making points as quick as i can to talk her in to it.She wants a new XJR 1st . |
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| Mar 17 2001 22:29 | Steve Bolingbroke | United Kingdom | Managing Director |
OK, I've paid my deposit. I'm number 8 on the list at my local dealer and I can't wait for 2004 to get my hands on my F-Type.
But ....
Please, please, please build something that looks like the concept F-Type shown in 2000. The artists impressions that came with the recent press release announcing the launch were very dissapointing.
It lost that "Jag" look. The rear view, especially the slit shaped lights was more like a Porsche (I could go and buy a Boxter now and save myself a 3 year wait). Bring back the round lights.
And the cockpit, keep the lovely wrap around extensions to the side windows, so like a D-Type.
Keep the faith Jaguar. Or I may want that deposit back ! |
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| Mar 17 2001 01:12 | Chip Alexander | United States | Design Director |
Please make the windshield large enough for taller people. I am 6 ft, 1 inch tall (which is relatively tall, but not unusually so) and drove an XK recently. I really liked it except that the windshield header is at about eyebrow level even with the seat all the way down, which was quite unlivable. It is like driving with a cap pulled down too far over your eyes.
Similarly, please include pop-up rollbars (like Mercedes and BMW have) so in the case of a rollover, tall people like me aren't crushed down to beneath the line between the top of the windshield and the back of the car, as they would be in the XK. That creates a safety issue which is hard to ignore in buying a car.
And most of all, please stick with the gorgeous original design concept, not the disappointing new sketches.
Thanks for listening to your customers! |
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| Mar 15 2001 16:38 | William D. DeHuff | United States | Photographer |
Dear Jaguar,
I'm a former E-Type owner who recognized the E-Type when I first saw them in the 60's as the ultimate sports car.
Do design a successor to perfection is indeed a challenge.
I hope you will not stray too far from the E-Type. I believe there is such a thing as the perfect car design, and I believe the E-Type has already achieved that. Now you want a "fresh" design. That is like telling Leonardo you want a Mona Lisa but you want a "fresh" new Mona Lisa. You can't improve perfection, at least as far as the aesthetic design. Of course, the many technical improvements should be incorporated. Just put them in an E-Type body!
Thank you,
Bill DeHuff
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| Mar 15 2001 14:41 | c.portier | Germany | |
| There was a picture of the most recent F-Type version on the front page of "auto motor &sport" in Germany this week, and I must say from the front it looks like a crossover between Mercedes SLK and Mazda MX5 - Pleeease, go back to the first design. Rear looks are great!! |
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| Mar 15 2001 06:13 | Peter Murray | Australia | Student |
I belive the new F-type has the styling to be a great
sensation. But I belive you have to very careful not turning the F-type in a soft Grand Tourer. If the F-type is going to be a succeser to the E-type the car has to be a no-frills bare boned sports car.
And one more thing. Throw the supercharged V8 into the F-type (if it fits) and scare the likes of Porsche and Ferrari.
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| Mar 14 2001 19:57 | Phil Gittings | United Kingdom | Teacher Of Design & Technology |
| Being a petrol head born and bred a few miles from Browns Lane in Coventry my obvious passion is Jaguar Cars. I have owned and driven E Types for 20 years and now own what, to me, is the best example - a '65 4.2 fhc (along side a 6.0 V12 XJS). I had a roadster prior to this, and here is my point. As nice as the roadster was it just did not have the same purity of line as the fhc. If the F Type is to be a TRUE successor it should be available in both open and closed forms. Style wise the E Type looks good in both, and first impressions of the F Type - same conclusion. Come on Jaguar all your sports cars to date have been open and closed, don't spoil a winning combination. |
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| Mar 14 2001 17:55 | Georg Schoch | Germany | |
When I read the posting of Johannes Schmitt, I decided to do a brief research on the net. On the homepage of "auto motor und sport" I found a photo of the new design. Here's the link:
http://www.autouniversum.de/de/de/static_html/html_docs/magazin/ams/thema1.html
I don't know how long this link will be working, but all I can say is that the new design is a disaster. Nobody needs a new Jaguar looking like that. If this is what will go into production, it will be a complete failure. I'd rather buy a Mazda MX-5.
[Note from Jag-lovers: the link above does NOT show an official Jaguar photograph at all but an artists' impression of what it might look like borrowed from the cover of Autocar - see note further up page]
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| Mar 14 2001 12:49 | Daniel Neades | United Kingdom | Company Director |
I loved the original F-Type concept -- it looked wonderful. The design shown in the 2001 sketches, for me, is nothing like as attractive.
Please re-think and go back to something more akin to the original 2000 concept. |
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| Mar 14 2001 10:09 | Terry Handley | Australia | Automotive Engineer |
To whom it may Concern at Ford Jaguar,
I'm concerned that Ford may play too big a part in the final Design of the F Type,if the proposed Ford Frontal treatment as seen in the Jaguar World Magazine is used that the F Type would be ruined,that is the original concept car is as good as one could ever do for a production car,one as important as the F Type.
To make the car to soft would also detract from the meaningful looks of the Concept car, an all out no frills Sports car is needed,whether Jaguar Ford has the ability & the balls to deliver a true Sports car is yet to be seen.
A Gutsy Engine with a no frills Cockpit area,alloy dash & Retro Instruments, no air 5 or 6 speed G/Box is I believe the key to a successful Sports Car,we already have enough Pansy so called Sports Cars,the said might go ok,but we need a Mans Car.
Don't bore us with another Front Wheel Drive Jappo Type Running Gear,make something that restores the true sports image for Jaguar.
Terry Handley
Bathurst Australia |
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| Mar 13 2001 06:34 | Kevin G Wright | Australia | Technical Advisor |
I've loved the E-Type all my life and am finally the proud owner of an SIII coupe - it turns heads wherever it goes.
A Jaguar must capture both the power and feline grace of it's namesake - the 2001 design does neither.
You must go back to the original concept design.
Three suggestions;
1. Take a trip to the nearest game park and watch the big cats (preferrably Jaguars). Fill your senses with their grace and perfect natural design as they move.
2. With (1) in your mind sculpt it in metal.
3. I'd love to be able to easily switch my E-Type from right hand drive to left hand for self drive trips in other countries. It would be brilliant if the F-Type facilitated a fairly straightforward swap from one to the other. |
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| Mar 13 2001 04:10 | Timothy Munn | United States | Network Admin |
I first saw the concept on the cover of MT about 2 months ago. I knew it was what I've been looking for in a sport/roadster. I loved the lines and the soft curves. It instantly took me back to the "C" type racers. I have been searching for information about since that day. Now that I know a bit more about what is going into it, I feel a few small changes are needed to complete my perfect auto. IMO -
My wish list :
1. Change the three spoke steering wheel to a more conventional style. A more "MOMO" approach would be in line. Remove the sharp angle edges of the spokes.
2. Add F1 style gear shifting - wheel mounted sifting
3. Although the seats "look" good. Are they truly an asset to a car that an owner would want to be in for longer than 2 hours. AND, they look extremely difficult to get in and out of. Great for an actual F1 race car and the driver. Bad for my trip to Santa-Fe !!
4. The departure angle in back is almost detracting. Please lower it to a more appealing level. Or scrap it and re-do it. I love the round simple effective tail lamps.
5. Even a roadster needs some amenities.
A. Air Cond, OPtion at least, Don't care what the purists say about this one !
B. A awesome stereo ! I do NOT want to have
to modify anything.
C. Some type of cover for emergencies / Cloth
D. Windshield washers that don't give me a shower
F. Where's my cup holder ? Even race car drivers
get thirsty !
6. A wind deflector between the seats to reduce wind noise and the wow and flutter effect. Why not use a good idea ?? All the best roadsters have them. READ Porsche, BMW.
7. A AC-Bristol / Cobra - Roll-Bar somewhere aft of the seats. Safety is 1st. !
8. The entire dash needs a nice curve to enhance driver
information gathering.No one like straining to look
at a gauge.
9. ADD a push button, Or dash mounted igintion.
I do like the high mounted side view mirrors, the impart a true F1 style. That seem very useable. They must have them that way for a reason.
I would change the front lower spoiler to a design that just allows air flow to the brake discs. A solid spoiler with Jag inspired brake vents. Or some sort of screen inserts that would allow air but remove the open space.
Another thing I noticed was the gear shifter in relation the driver position height. Is the shift lever too high ? Or just perfect ? One would think that shifting is more easily accomplished moving in a somewhat downward range of motion. Plus If I recall resting your entire arm on the sill would induce fatigue. That's why a true steering column shifter almost seems more appropriate.
I'm sure I have more but I'm tired, so that's it for now. I sure hope that the nice people at Jag make some of the more practical changes.
Thanks, Can't wait to sign -
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| Mar 12 2001 01:26 | Denis M Kaye | United States | financial counselor |
I was very excited about the original concept design,
but I truly hate the changes. Are we building Beamers???????? The concept was so very Jaguar, the changes to the front end take away from the
"e-type esque" feel of the original concept, please ditch the fog light positioning and bring back that beautiful low scooping E-type grill. ANd for the love of lyons drop those lights while your at it. I wont even tell what I think of the rear end, I am, afterall, a gentleman. I will say this go back to the original concept, again its a Jag NOT A BMW, it should reflect the class of jaguar, not the "look at me I drive like an asshole cause I have a bmw z8" rear your thinkin about now. Thanks for the wonderful cars
Respectfully yours
Denis M Kaye |
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| Mar 09 2001 04:14 | Joe Adler | United States | |
| Go back to the original 2000 design. Please consider semi automatic racing style gear change and a hard convertible top a la Mercedes SLK. |
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| Mar 08 2001 18:39 | Johannes Schmitt | Germany | Systems consultant |
[Note from Jag-lovers: the picture referred to below does NOT show an official Jaguar photograph at all but is simply a magazine artist's impression of what it might look like 'borrowed' from the cover of the UK publication 'Autocar' - see note further up page]
On Mar 07, new issues of two well known magazines were published nearly simultaneously here in Germany:
1. The "stern" ("star"): Herein, still the fabulous sensational 2000 concept car is shown and admired.
Now for the bad news:
2. The "auto motor and sport" shows a live(!)-unit of the 2001 design which rapes and devastates clearly the original detroit-concept. So there exists a real horrifiying version - not just drawings!
Especially the spoiled ugly "Z8-rear" can be seen - they even did not keep an oval form for the plate-area!
Also the insertion of the fog-headlights is poorly realised now.
MR. CALLUM, HERR REITZLE DON'T DO THIS PLEASE! GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN APPROACH AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE. YOU WILL LOSE A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF ORDERS IF NOT.
THE COMMENTS IN THIS FORUM PROVE THIS.
I already had reserved the URL www.f-type.de and the amount of money for the car. But if the 2001 design will be the "winner" these resources will be re-released. |
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| Mar 07 2001 21:17 | Mike Gempp | United States | Philly Auto Show Director |
| I strongly believe that the taillight design in the artist renderings is the way to go. Not to say the round taillights on the concept are unattractive, but the exhaust layout and rear design of the renderings is unbelievably well done. In any case, I am extremely excited for this car to reach production! Bring it on! |
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| Mar 07 2001 19:54 | Orlando Ruiz | United States | Hotel sales |
The upcoming F-Type is a beautiful machine paying homage to the XKE of the 60's. I am very pleased that there is possibility of production plans on the car.
I do have a seggestion on a hard top version of this vehicle. Have you considered a flying buttress back on it as in the late XJS. I think that would be a wonderful addition to this already wonderful car.
Here's to hopes of seeing it here in the states in the future. |
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| Mar 07 2001 17:58 | James Robinson | Canada | Project Manager |
The "F-TYPE 2001" rear end treatment is HIDEOUS!
The original concept tail was FABULOUS!
The balance of the outside of the car looks great to me in both iterations.
The guages extending way over into the "passenger side" is probably a big mistake though... All of the guages should be directly in front of the driver. (and is that a switch way over there too? Who wants to be reaching, and looking, that far over when pushing a sports car even close to it's limits? (or in most cases the driver's limits)) Make it fun. Make it drivable, but most of all MAKE IT!
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| Mar 06 2001 11:36 | verticelli | Italy | |
Dear friends, maybe the f-type will be the last model of jaguar history. Not to mention s-type, x-type and other future models labeled Jaguar but Ford made. Let remember all XJ cars since 60' years until XK8.
Sorry but I'm now looking at Aston Martin as the very dream car.
P.s. I'm owner of XJS and I love Jaguar.....
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| Mar 04 2001 18:16 | Edward Burghard | United States | Director of Marketing |
I would really like to see the F-Type with a coupe option. I have a strong prefernce for the XK8 coupe because the lines are so incredible. I believe the same will be true for the F-Type.
Also, I really think additional attention needs to go into the design of the side view mirrors. I am not crazy about the prototype treatment. I think the current placement of the side view mirrors detracts in a meaningful way from the overall sleekness of the design.
Finally, while clearly a sports car, I would like to be able to get some basic comfort options such as an electronic compass, good stereo, etc..
If this automobile lives up to it's potential, I fully expect to be one of the first in line to purchase one. In fact, if you need somebody to test the vehicle prior to commercial availability I would be interested.
The F-type has the potential to dramatically increase the Jaguar consumer base and create a new segment of devoutly loyal fans. Selfishly, I am wishing you the best of luck. |
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| Mar 04 2001 17:14 | Artem Volkov | Russia | Finances and stuff |
Jaguar came up with the idea just in time. The new F-type will surely beat its rivals - Ferrari, Porsche,
Lambo, Aston Martin (even though I love them) - they're all good cars, but there's just too many of them! I think for that kind of price the buyer should have a chance to stand out of the crowd.
As an XJ owner I always take Jag drivers for my ally on the road. The fact that a person have chosen Jaguar over other luxury cars on the market creates the kind of respect for this person, like a bond.
And if by 2004, God willing, I will save enough money,
I will be the first in line standing outside the factory! |
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| Mar 04 2001 09:51 | Richard Mayes | New Zealand | Engineering (B.E.) Student |
Having just read the Jag-lover's web page, (or, to be honest, just looked at the pictures) I am quite certain that the styling of the 2000 F-Type does a lot more for me than the latest 2001 shapes do. While the latest F-Type is still no doubt a beautiful car, I just do not think it is Jaguar enough. Potato shaped lights are acceptable on Australian, Japanese and Korean cars which follow trends, NOT on the newest, hottest Jaguar which should be leading those trends. The round driving lamp/tail lamp theme of the 2000 concept was beautiful in it's simplicity, FUNCTIONALITY and uniqueness, and were I spending as much on a car as to buy a Jaguar (they are very expensive cars in New Zealand!!) then I would want EVERYONE to know that my car was a bit special, and wasn't just the latest mazda mx-5....
I think, and I believe most enthusiasts will agree, that the new TVR's are the best modern expression of the British sports car tradition, in that fundamentally they are no more than a big engine in a small chassis. With a body which simply wraps up the working bits rather than being something that was agonized over for years by stylists. For all their sophistication, power and beauty, the XK8/XKR Jaguars are not traditional British sports cars so much as Grand Tourers, albeit in the proper old fashioned sense of the term. None of the great Jaguars of Old were grand tourers.
I very much hope that the production F-Type will unseat the TVR from the position of "Best British Sports Car"; and I believe it will, so long as the mediocre and distasteful styling cues of the latest 2001 version are abandoned and the finished product is more like the 2000 concept. (And, by the way, PLEASE drop those 8-spoke wheels!!) As well as being beautiful, it will of course need to go very, very fast indeed, so I trust the engine will be of XKR specification at the very least!
and PS...Please make Jaguar New Zealand sell F-Types for not too much over NZ$100,000.!!!! I want one, and I don't want to wait too many years after I graduate!
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| Mar 02 2001 23:53 | Alex "Sharky" Ross | United States | Editor-in-Chief |
| Sleek, stylish and quite differently styled (got an XKR convertible and XJR). Chrome vs. wood? Still very attractive. Will get one. I'm glad they are making it. |
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| Mar 02 2001 20:07 | Sam | United Kingdom | |
I am only 16, but I work in a Jaguar specialists garage and I love nearly all Jaguars! Although not all new Jaguars are really expensive, the 'sports coupe', such as the XK-8 and XK-R models seem to be a little expensive and do not really fall into the category of sports car. This is why I believe that a new leaner Jaguar should be introduced.
The old E - Type was a car that people dream`t about, mainly due to the fact that it was sleek and stylish. The new F-type looks stunning and when put on sale, if set at a resonable price, will be a great seller and should do wonders for this prestige car manufacturer! |
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| Mar 02 2001 12:14 | Andrew | United Kingdom | Writer |
I'm delighted to see proper Jaguar sports cars making a come back, as since the sixties we've had to make to with shoddy build quality and materials from smaller car companies, or more bland German/Japanese offerings, with German cars suffering from astronomical prices.
Over all, the interior and exterior give plenty of smiles for your money. I find beautiful rear styling to be most rare on modern cars.
I know the F-Type concept has to be a smaller car than the XK180 concept, but I did consider the XK180 to have a prettier 'face'. From reading the comments of others, I agree that the front headlights do detract from it's beauty, making it look a tad Japanese. I think a light arrangement similar to that on the XK180 or Aston DB7 will increase its beauty and aggression.
Unfortunately the mirrors do look messy - what to do?
The interior is excellent, though the dash board would look less 'slabby' if its height were narrowed slightly - a critismism that the original XK8 was also guilty of.
You've taken enough styling ques from previous Jags (not just the E-type) to make it look appealing, but have also given us something very new - a timeless elegance.
Please DO build it, without compromise. |
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| Mar 02 2001 05:19 | Dennis Ward | United States | Sales |
The original concept was beautiful - the perfect likeness of a modern Jaguar with traditional lines, yet different from any other Jag. The front end looked just enough like a D type to bring back images of old racing posters. The tail, with two large round lights, is clean and sexy.
The latest iteration is hideous. Let the Japanese add slit headlights and taillights - this is a British sports car, not a stealth fighter. And the straignt cut line along the side destroys the muscular "haunches" of the overall shape. [Reminds me of the new Toyota Celica - the front, middle and rear look like they were designed by three different people.]
Bottom line: go back to the original concept and LEAVE IT ALONE!! Please! |
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| Mar 01 2001 22:17 | Peter Stipetich | United States | |
| What I have seen of the car so far looks nice, but what would be even better is if you took less styling cues from the E-type per se and more from its failed successor of which only one was built and Jaguar still has. The E-type series 1 cannot be copied. Putting grills on the hood of the XKR was just a tacky attempt to bring some of the styling from the E-type into the new cars. Do not make this new car a Datsun. You are not Japanese and do not need to copy, even if you are copying yourselves! If only the (I believe it was called this) XJ-13 would have gone into production instead of having Piniferrari design the XJ-S. Jaguar made a mistake by allowing itself get away from developing real sports cars. The E-type did not sell in its later years because it became to cluttered and bulky, parts were expensive and cars sat on the dealers lots long after 1975. The E-type looked like nothing else and was accepted like nothing else ever has or probably will be. I do not know of any other car which is in the National Museum of Art. So try to bring out something new with the F-type. Use ideas that were never put into mass production if you must like the 'low drag coupes' (CUT 7 was one of the two built) the bonnet extension on one of those cars is very attractive even though it caused overheating in those cars, but things like that can be overcome now. Just please do not make this car like the XK-8 was made. Do not make it look similar to something else. Cars in the past looked different from each other from a far off distance, now one needs to get close to know exactly what it is. The XK-8 looks too similar to the Aston Martin. So what exactly could one do? Lower the roof line, the low drag coupes were not made production cars because of the lack of rear cargo room. Do we really care!? The XJ-13's silouette looks almost the same from the rear or the front when one looks at it from the side. Go take a look at that car, its beautiful! Jaguar has made enough cars that offer space, what they need is more grace and pace. One more thing give the car adequate power, without adding a supercharger. A supercharger limits what a customer can do later to the car. Remember when the e-type was new, people did many different things after buying them to make them faster and personalized. Give the customers that opportunity. Simplify, simplify, simplify. Do not be stupid like General Motors and put 7 computers in the car. The benefit does not outweigh the cost. Make it simple, make it for the people who really love to drive. Jaguar led the way in the beginning, with sportscars. Saloons followed and took over. Bring us back to the beginning! Give all E-type owners a reason to go out and buy a new car. |
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| Mar 01 2001 14:09 | C.A. Durney | United States | Graphic Artist |
| It's about time that Jag brings a true british roadster back to the market! I grew up dreaming of owning a brit roadster, and now that I'm old enough to afford one, I find that the Japanese have cornered the market. This car is beautiful! I'm looking forward to 2004! |
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| Feb 28 2001 23:57 | Don Banfield | United States | Scientist |
What most stands out to me about the E-type are two distinct features that separate it from others of its era (and out of its era). These are the extreme rearward position of the cockpit, and the smooth rounded lines that only seem to wrap the mechanicals, not so much fill in voids between components.
About the rearward cockpit, I think this is the most critical to make a follow-on have the mental feel of the original E-type. The early F-type pictrues I have seen lack this, and with their central cockpit, seem to similar to modern, ordinary cars. The E-type looked like its driver was piloting an old Gold-Cup Racing boat. That is an enviable style.
The rounded lines, draping the mechanicals means that the wheel wells, the engine, the cockpit all felt like they were separate items that needed to be smoothly connected. Modern cars smoothly connect them by filling large voids between them and making a larger volume smooth on the outside. Avoid that, but don't go to the Viper extreme either with angular expressions of the internal machinery... aerodynamics be damned, as long as it 'looks' aerodynamic (but might not be as good as modern smoothed box designs). |
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| Feb 28 2001 19:44 | james faulknor | United States | car dealer/auctioneer |
| SUPERCHARGE THE ENGINE!forget about a heavy v8 engine and dont designate it as a r model.like nike says 'JUST DO IT'I already have a deposit on one now and will take just about any design/motor/trans/brake combo that jaguar will produce.keep it in the 30k range [U.S.]and i will be the happiest son of a gun in the world considering it reflects the original concept vehicle. |
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| Feb 28 2001 01:43 | John Hagopian | United States | Anesthesiologist |
The design elements of the 2000 concept are much more distinctive. As many commentators have already mentioned, the 2001 concept has been made more generic by the substitution of the "bullet" tail lamps, the crease along the side of the car (a feeble attempt at injecting 'distinction' into a previously clean and evocative flank), and finally, the destruction of the 2000 concept's front end. The revised headlight configuration and air intake remove the strong identifiying elements of the 2000 concept in exchange for a busy, immemorable pasting of jumbled lighting elements and unremarkable curves. The front end of the 2001 reminds me of a late-model Mitsubishi 3000 GT.
If the F-Type is going to be Jaguar's return to the exhilaration of 'simplified' sports cars, the F-Type's design should be a reflection of that philosophy. Keep the lines and character elements clean and elegant; leave the jumbled headlight optics, body creases, and angled tail lamps for the Japanese and Pontiacs.
When can I have mine delivered? |
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| Feb 27 2001 22:31 | Raymond Smith | United States | Compuer Analyst |
| This car is sweet, not a lot of fancy features, so that you can enjoy your drive like the old days. Loud Music, wind flying through your hair. No excessive buttons to simplicity makes this car a beauty. Plus i love the clutch, I'd love to test drive one, after i make my first million. |
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| Feb 27 2001 03:45 | Darrell | Canada | Graduate Professor |
| The original 2000 Auto Show concept was right on. Make that concept into a street legal road car and you will have a winner on your hands, not to mention a new customer. I recently read an article and saw pictures of a "Performance R" version of the XK8/XKR. The front end styling of this concept are what the F-Type should reflect with regard to Jaguar's image and character. |
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| Feb 26 2001 18:57 | Kevin Dykema | United States | newspaper publisher |
| The concept car that was shown at the Detroit auto show in 2000 was perfect. If the production car stays true to the concept it will pick up right where the E-Type left off.A coupe version would complete the package quite nicely. |
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| Feb 26 2001 17:41 | Jared Lyons | United States | |
| The production model of the F-type should look the exact same as the concept. Don't change a thing! |
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| Feb 26 2001 15:40 | Jim Gallo | United States | PC TECH |
| The 2000 concept is SO much superior to the 2001. Go for it -- I was considering the BMW Z3 or maybe the Honda S2000. Those two are on hold if the F-Type becomes reality as shown in the 2000 concept. It is a gorgeous car that just SHOUTS Jaguar. |
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| Feb 26 2001 03:23 | Thanh Nguyen | Canada | Software Engineeering student |
| i think the original design for the conscept was very nice. the final design that's currently out has the extra accents around the lights. i thought the roundness of it before was very nice. more to what the automobile industry is going towards. the gear shift on the original design is exceeding well done. there was a lot of insight in having it look like that. i also believe the interior dashboard looks sort of a like an airplane's cockpit which is quite interesting. |
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| Feb 26 2001 00:15 | Robert MacLeay | United States | retired |
No sir, I don't like it.
What we need is a car to replace what the E-type was, not an updated version of it.
Actually, I think that in terms of styling, the XK-8 does a fine job of recalling the E-type's styling. However, we don't need a cheaper XK-8. Looking at the real style leaders in sporting cars, and looking at current racing "sports cars," the styling of the E-type just isn't relevant. What we need is something with aerodynamic integrity; i.e., slab sides with a ground-hugging chin and tail. The past Jaguar which IMHO best exemplifies this is the ground-breaking XK-120. Think of what you might do with the XK-120 body to make it meet modern safety and aerodynamic needs and I think it will come through more intact than what has been done with the F-type styling so far. If the S-type revival can be considered a success, with similar styling cues applied to a four door sedan, I think a XK-120 revival could be, also. Think of the market success of such styling coups as the Audi TT and the PT Cruiser; this is the kind of styling statement we need for the new sports car.
And it should cost no more, and be no slower than, a Corvette. |
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| Feb 25 2001 23:37 | ivan strickland | United Kingdom | Company Director |
| This is brief, but don't underestimate the sentiment: The original, concept, F-type was utterly sensational; I had my name down for one (with the wife) the moment I saw the photographs. I must say how disappointed I am with the development of it, as shown in the recent production announcement. The creases down the wings are shades of the Honda S2000, the back has tones of Boxter - niether of which you'd call styling classics. I'm not saying it's a dog, but compared with the original, it's clumsy and really lacks the 'wow' factor. Go back to the original concept and change as little as possible (and preferrably give us a decent 350bhp ++ engine option). |
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| Feb 25 2001 21:16 | Joop Geelen | Netherlands | Operational Manager |
I think it's a great honour for W. Lyons that these designs are very close to the E-type. The problem remains that the car wil always be a shadow of the legendary Etype series I.
In my opinion the front of the first (2000) prototype should be added to the back of the last (2001)prototype.
I wish Jaguar good luck with their descissions. Eventhough I doubt that I would trade my Etype 3.8 roadster with the new car! |
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| Feb 25 2001 19:23 | Gerhard Booysen | Canada | Student |
| I think the F-Type is a fantastic look at the inovative design of the Jaguar Cars of tomorrow. It has a firm grasp on the great cars of the early 90's, not falling into the cracks of trying to look futuristic. Kudos Jaguar! |
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| Feb 25 2001 15:24 | Roger hosn | United States | PR Director |
| Striking, breath-taking design. Do not change a thing from the 2000 concept. The rearend of the 2001 drawings look very similar to that of Porshce. The bullet rear lamps of the 2000 are beautiful as is the dual exhaust pipes. However, the front end drawings of the 2001 are appealing. Overall, if I had to choose, let's go with the original concept...this design is what orignially inspired hope for production. |
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| Feb 24 2001 23:37 | Larrie G.Harr | United States | maintenance technician |
| The car is absolutely beautiful. It is also in keeping with what the world has come to know and expect from Jaguar.It would have to stun the public much in the same way the XKE did.But I think you have done that and more.I only wish that I could afford to own one. |
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| Feb 24 2001 20:58 | LEANIER CARTER | United States | TRADES CARPENTER |
THE CAR IS BEAUTIFUL LIKE ALL JAGUAR'S SHOULD BE, BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.
PS. YOU GUYS ARE ON A ROLL KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, AND CHANGE THE J-GATE SHIFTER, MAKE IT MORE USER FRIENDLY? |
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| Feb 23 2001 09:44 | K Kennedy | United States | computer programmer |
If someone came up to me on the the street and showed me photos of the 2000 concept, then asked me what make it was, I would have thought it was a Jaguar.
Do the same thing with the 2001 concept and it might be something from BMW, GM, or even Nissan. Really, anyone.
Yes, I like the 2000 concept a lot more. |
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| Feb 22 2001 18:02 | amber | United States | |
| i think that the f type is one of jaguars most gorgous cars yet, keep up the good work! |
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| Feb 22 2001 14:03 | Marcus Wood | United Kingdom | Accountant |
| It seems most of the comments favout the original design - I can only agree. The car in the drawings looks OK, but could have come from any manufacturer. I also find the prototype far more attractive - I would probably buy the production car if it looked anything like that, but but having seen the X-Type, I'm not optimistic. Hopefully the production F Type will at least not end up being based around a Ford floorpan. I was glad to see that the prototype didn't have a wooden dashboard, because I think it looks out of place in a sports car - the E Type didn't have it! |
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| Feb 21 2001 21:45 | Nick Neureuter | United States | Engineer |
I had done my comments before, but wanted to add some things to address points I missed the first time but were brought up by others - I'll try not to repeat.
1) Engine - something wild like a V12 would be slick, but I think not in keeping with the stated objective of the car, and should stick with supercharged V6 for power, lightness, and balance.
2) engine goes in the front of the car, where they belong
3) Walnut dashboard trim? no no no! Jaguar roadsters do NOT have wood dashboard trim! There's none in my XK, there's none in my E. Should NOT be any in the F. Aluminum's pretty. You want a wood dash, get an XK8.
4) I like the taillights on the 2000 car.
OK, I'll repeat myself once - 2000 car gorgeous, 2001 car derivative. Keep the trendy creases out. |
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| Feb 21 2001 16:14 | Martin Fooks | Netherlands | |
Take a look back at the C, D and E types and you will see that they have all been delivered with engines that gave them superb performance figures for their day.
It would be a crime to produce the first F-Types without at least one XKR style engine option from the very start.
As for the styling, I would be very interested in hearing why the rear-end was changed. If I want something that looks like a Boxter, I will buy a Porsche. |
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| Feb 21 2001 13:31 | Alain | Belgium | Student |
| This is a very beautiful car, no doubt about that. But like some among us say, I think also that Jaguar has to produce the original prototype and not the redesigned one because it looks half like a Porsche Boxster. I think that Jaguar is capable enough to design their own cars without looking to other brands. |
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| Feb 21 2001 11:18 | Shaun McVicar | Australia | lawyer |
The 2000 concept car was breathtaking: a curvaceous, prowling cat which was the perfect embodiment of the brand. It was feline and sleek while marauding at the same time. It positively screamed "buy me"...and I would not have hesitated.
The 2001 design though is, to be frank, a little disappointing. I understand that it is one thing to design a concept car and quite another to design a car for production. Therefore the new design has necessarily toned down a lot of the extreme stylistic elements of the concept car in an effort to make it manufacturable. But unfortunately it has killed a few of the unique elements that would have set the F type apart from all else. The main modification (apart from the windscreen which was obviously impossible to incorporate in a production car) is to tone down those powerful haunches around the rear wheels. In my view this is a big mistake. These haunches have always been an important feature of Jag sportscar design and they really made the 2000 concept car unique. While some roundness and bulging remains in the 2001 design, it is now no more than featured on any number of Italian and Japanese sportscars. In fact that is the problem: there is nothing much that sets the design apart from any number of current two seater sports cars in production at the moment.
So, the 2001 design of course still screams "buy me" but that is now only because it is a 2 seater Jag sportcar. It is no longer, unfortunately, because of its beautiful and unique. |
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| Feb 21 2001 02:51 | Shaun Poole | United States | Engineer |
| I hate to agree with everyone else, but I really hope the car turns out to be more like the concept and not the latest drawings. Please also make one of the initial colors BRG and I'll put my check down today. |
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| Feb 20 2001 17:47 | Walter Martin | United States | Technology Consultant |
| The original design ( F-Type concept 2000 ) looks great. THe 2001 pictures have a Boxster resemblance - it's been done. |
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| Feb 20 2001 05:09 | Steve Radford | United States | video Producer |
| Really loved the 1st prototype. It truly captured my spirit and made my blood boil. The latest concept looks too much like the current boxter. Please go back to your roots |
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| Feb 19 2001 19:49 | Tom | United Kingdom | Student |
| I have collected Jaguar models for the last 4 years, i love them and my ambition is to own a jag one day. I follow everything about jaguars, and all can say is that the F-Type looks a stunner and carn't wait to see one on the road. Make it happen Jaguar. Tom Hardcastle |
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| Feb 19 2001 06:28 | Glenn Schlundt | United States | Physician |
Based strictly on the photos posted above, which are the only pictures of the F type I've seen, the car looks great, though the headlights are going to take a bit of getting used to. I completely agree with others who believe the car should come with a manual gearbox. As the owner of an 87serIII, I do like an interior rich in wood and leather, and I'd like to see the F type come with a more cushy cockpit than the one shown in the pictures above (heresy, I know...)
. Just PLEASE don't give the wood fascia on the door panels that appalling elliptical shape so easily identifiable with the Ford Taurus. Something linear (like the old serIIIs or even the newer XJs before 98) would be fine. A removable hard top (like the old mercedes 450s) would be a fine option too. I also agree with others who suggest a little chrome hardware would be a welcome "retro" touch. This car is sure to be a crowd pleaser. I hope I can afford one. |
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| Feb 19 2001 04:00 | Paul Cole | Canada | retired dental surgeon |
I like the basic shape of the F Type.
The most important thing is for a car to have a correct and beautiful proportion. Most cars fail at this and then try to disguise using spoilers, side mouldings, scoops, etc. (the S Type is disappointing thus)
In this day of colour-matched plastic bumpers, I would really like to see MORE BRIGHTWORK on the F Type.
Compare the XK8 with the E Type and you will see what I mean.
Thank you. Paul Cole 4X Jaguar owner |
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| Feb 19 2001 00:34 | Alan Brogden | United States | Lawyer |
I think that the jaguar f-type is one of the most sporty v-12s of the years too come it has potential and as soon as it hits the market i will have one it is just beutiful i bet that that damn thing will pack a punch in speed i have not seen the 0-60 timing yet but i bet ill have the speed come out on my personal race track
please email me if your looking too buy one i will sel when i recieve
thanks Alan Brogden |
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| Feb 18 2001 22:01 | Colby Yandow | United States | |
i truthfully from all heart and soul. think that this work of art is brilliant. a perfection of the jaguar motor cars.i think that most people probably wont be able too aford it. but thats not the point. this is the most brilliant piece of work ive seen since the jaguar xj-220. as soon as i can find it i will own that car it absolutly screams buy me all the from the engine too the tail lights i will love this car more than my spouse
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| Feb 18 2001 21:50 | Van Haute Wim | Belgium | last year medical student |
It seems that a superb car will be on our roads soon
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| Feb 17 2001 18:12 | Haysam Homsi | Austria | businessman |
I think this car looks lovely , just go for it
a.s.a.p. hope with supercharged .
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| Feb 17 2001 05:33 | Jaime Steve | United States | atty / clean energy lobbyist |
| I must have one ... now! |
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| Feb 17 2001 04:29 | Irv Freige | United States | Federal Aviation Administratio |
| I have looked at the F-Type drawings and find it to be exceptional. The front and rear view looks "Jaguar", however the short wheel base and hood make it look "Nissan". In the drawing, I see a combination of XKE and XJ-S that is verry apealing. I did a cut and paste of the drawing,added length to the front end and was impressed with how it gave the car a classic Jaguar appearance. I currently own an XJ-S and love my Jag. The new car should have a 6-speed gear box, V-12 engine and a coupe version. If it is going to compete with the others in it's class, the car will need 400 plus HP. This car has the potental of being an instant classic. |
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| Feb 16 2001 23:23 | Michael Attwood | United States | MIS |
| Just saw 2001 pictures - pretty awful, folks! The whole concept of Jaguarness is gone! Stick with the prototype for God's sake. |
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| Feb 16 2001 23:20 | Michael Attwood | United States | MIS |
| Prototype looks good - keep it curvaceous. MUST have a 5 or 6 speed MANUAL gearbox. (A manual gearbox sits on the garage floor pending installation in my SIII XJ6). A hardtop to complement a convertible top would be a good move - something like the e-type lightweight design? That would make for some nice historic echoes! A coupe version could be superb, looking at how the lines could merge at the rear. I specifically chose a coupe when I bought my E-type, and I still think it beats the convertible hands down for both looks and practicality. Keep up the good work - my wife and I are JCNA judges, and want to be sure to have plenty of new Jaguars to judge in the future. |
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| Feb 16 2001 18:07 | Raymond Anthony | United States | |
I have read lots of praise about the styling of the new F-type; however unless it is produced with a manual
gearbox it will just be another ho hum car just like the current XK-8. If they want to make a sports car you need to equip it with a real gearbox.
Ihave seen the XK-180 up close and it is also a dispointment for this reason.
The world is full of old man style so called sports cars, let's not make another one.
I am fifty years and I would not want one unless it carries the fun and challenge of driving a car with a manual gearbox.
"E" type owner for the last 14 years; and owner of various sports cars for the last 32 years. |
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| Feb 16 2001 17:57 | Dave Scott | United Kingdom | |
Looked inspirational in the metal. Although production changes need to be made, did they have to take the feline out of it in the latest January drawings?
It needs curvacious body lines - please put them back. |
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| Feb 16 2001 11:22 | Bill Reddin | Australia | |
Great work! Stick to the original concept or you risk turning it into an MGF!!! Keep the nose long, the air intake opening at 90 degrees to the ground, and the rear wheel arches should be a bit more "haunch like" viz a cat set to spring. If you can't tell it's a Jaguar at a hundred paces, give it away.
How about a removable hard top?
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| Feb 16 2001 06:42 | May, Joerg | Germany | Selling Manager |
Hallo Jaguar Frends,
the F-Type ist a very nice Sportcar.I hope it will build in the next 2 jears.
If the price is ok, maby I change my E-Type into a F-Type.!? Now im waiting.
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| Feb 16 2001 05:01 | Gordon Johnson | United States | Industrial Engineer |
Thank you, Ford, for allowing the exercise to proceed.
Thank YOU, Jaguar, for actually remembering how to express the essence of a sports car. The 2000 concept is pure and lovely, and soooo close to real.
Personally, I love the spartan interior. Looks built for driving and nothing else. No cupholders, no GPS, no radio (hey..no radio?), no 6-way adjustable power seat, no nothing that doesn't link you to the CAR!!! There's just gotta be a removable top in the mix somewhere.
Yeah, I've got a Jag...a '67 E. But this F-baby's caught my eye. Go for it. |
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| Feb 16 2001 03:26 | Julius Woernle IV | United States | Interior Design |
Willaim Lyons would be proud of what you have done with the F-Type so far! I'm going to the Jaguar Dealer this summer to put my name ( and deposit ) on an F-type this summer. As an owner of an XK140 and E-type, I love what you have done and would not change a thing. Do you think you can make a car without a top? If so, make the tops removeable permantly from the car, as I have removed mine and offer a tonneau!
That's all I want.
Good luck and feel free to e-mail me if you need any more feed-back.
Jay |
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| Feb 15 2001 17:08 | Kevin Marshall | United States | Dentist |
I loved your new concept car the F type.
I think the aluminuim accents in the interior simular
to Audi TT gives it a very sporty appearence.
I would also like it if you did not shorten the frount end. It's long nose gives it a very XK-E appearence.
Other wise I can't wait for it to come out.
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| Feb 15 2001 16:47 | Geoffrey Phillips | United Kingdom | Architect technician |
The original concept looks fantastic. It has the "JAGUAR" LOOK. The later sketches are beging to look JAP.
The interior needs attention. |
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| Feb 15 2001 14:45 | Walt Tomsic | United States | Graphic Designer |
| Stay with the direction established in the original concept. It has a minimalist purity that is very "Jaguar" and very appealing. The latest round of sketches are beginning to look derivative and cliched. We don't want another gen-X/Y tuner car, we want a small, agile Jaguar sports car. Build that and you've made a sale! |
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| Feb 15 2001 03:11 | BTE | France | |
| The front is quite nice. The back is odd. Too bad it does not mimic the E-Type |
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| Feb 15 2001 02:57 | Damon Lane | United States | Mechanical Engineer |
The XK-180 show car was absolutely gorgeous; one of the best looking cars ever, the 2000 F-type concept was an incredible beauty too, but in between there and the 2001 drawings, something got lost. The 2000 car is stunning, and the 2001 drawings are uninspired.
The 20001 drawings lack the curves and flares around the wheels; it's a straighter more ordinary profile. The back of the 2001 is terrible and unoriginal. If the design follows the direction set by the changes from the 2000 to the 2001 drawings, I don't think this car will draw a tiny piece of the attention the 2000 concept did. At this rate the production version will have nearly straight lines, and might as well use stock Mustang rear ends from new owner Ford. If it takes that much change to produce it there's no point. I understand the requirements for production but just remember what about the 2000 concept drew so much attention and instant love, and don't change that. Especially when drawing on the E-type, it's those beautiful curves we admire.
This is a car that has me very excited, but dear Lord please don't produce it without the wonderful flowing curves of the 2000 concept or there will be nothing special about it. |
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| Feb 14 2001 23:19 | Janne Selinummi | Finland | Student |
This has to be THE thing we've been expecting Jaguar to do - for ages!
A true successor to the legendary XKE, this new F-Type is by far the most interesting of all current "soon to be manufactured" sports cars.
I just hope they can include "the good olde cat" in the performance as well as in handling department.
You can't go wrong with design like that, but please, let it be a true driver's car that the XK8 never was (though otherways just fantastic), please! |
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| Feb 14 2001 18:20 | Vidar Sten-Halvorsen | Norway | Sr.Engineer (Subsea Syst) |
First of all, the car looks great. Better in the pictures than on the drawings though.
The challenge is to make it go with the same exitement as the original E.
My impressions from two year with an 69 SII FHC says:
Instant trottle response from low revs, quick steering response, stability like a dart, road holding AND comfort.
So the people at Jaguar are up to a grand challenge.
What about a (heaven forbid!?) state of the art common rail turbo diesel to give the low rev torque characteristics that defines the origina XK engine? |
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| Feb 14 2001 15:55 | Jim Carney | United States | Sr. Systems Eng. |
I saw the original concept and it took my breath away, just the way the my first S1 E-Type FHC sighting did so many years ago.
I knew, I must have one of these.
I regularly drive my FHC, # 885237.
The new updated concept looks like just another perfect modern roadster. You've lost the spirit.
I already have a Miata.
Your competition in the "just another perfect modern roadster" category is absolutely fierce - SLK, Audi TT, Boxter, S2000, M Roadster, Corvette...
Build a Jaguar.
Figure out a way to get a speedster style top on the original concept, then build it.
Light, more the size of an SLK than a Corvette, exceptional power to weight ratio.
Clean, elegant, sexy, bold. You know, like the S1 E-Type.
Simple.
Thanks for listening,
Jim
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| Feb 14 2001 14:34 | Randy Bulmer | Canada | Medical Photographer |
| I hope there will be a F-type coupe available, and affordable. I had owned a 1973 XKE and the roof from windshield to windshield (trunk) was, and still is one of the best looking designs. Ford is bringing back the T-Bird at a cost here of over $50,000. Thanks but no thanks. |
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| Feb 14 2001 03:07 | Ray Young | United States | Realtor |
Congratulations to all the engineers/designers at Jaguar. The F-type is a big feather in jags cap in its effort to out execute the competition. The lines that make up the F-type are stellar. What took you so long? First the S-type now this. I can't wait to see the Jag SUV!!! It has to be on its way. The world is waiting and watching. Jaguar design, clearly superior. Thanks, for the fine Art.
Ray Young |
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| Feb 14 2001 03:00 | toño | Mexico | |
Just 4 words
`WHAT A NICE CAR´ |
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| Feb 14 2001 01:59 | Eric L. Mueller | United States | Student |
I first saw the Jaguar F-Type last year at the Detroit International Auto Show, nearly knocked me off my feet. I was dumbfounded as I stood there, the car spinning before me, I knew right then that this was going to be my car. I will get $50,000 when I turn 18, and all of it (if necessary) will go towards the purchase of a Jaguar F-Type. I only hope that the production version is not too different from the prototype, because any line lost from that car, is a tragedy.
Eric Mueller |
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| Feb 13 2001 19:23 | Alan Staples | United States | |
Congratulations on what appears to be a significant new entrant in the performance car arena. The prototype is a stunning design - one can only hope the car's performance will be equal to or exceed the promise!
The press readily compare the F-Type with the E. As a S1 4.2 OTS owner, I hope their hype signals your intent. I continue to marvel that a 30+ year old car is as much fun to drive at the edge as meaningfuly up-rated '97 BMW 540 sport or '93 twin turbo RX7.
Long live Brown's Lane & Sir Lyon! Lead with performance and innovation. Attention to detail does not equate to installing every gadget and latest whatever known to the automotive universe. The early E's surely confirm simplicity is its own reward.
Price it for what its worth - but make sure only God can save the dealer unable or unwilling to match the marque with quality, attention to detail and customer focus. Don't fall into the "closed system" trap - encourage and manage the aftermarket tuners & suppliers. Viva Dinan, Schnitzer, Ruff and AMG! (Phooey on Mazdaspeed)
Here's to wishing you well in converting the promise to reality. Soon. |
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| Feb 13 2001 11:57 | Safaridis | Germany | |
dear sirs,
after the xk 8 and the S-type -> the f-type is another
model of jag - which will have a big success.
The design is perfect, outside and inside!
my wife will kill me, but I will sell my MK II 3.8 for
the F-type.
do it !
kind regards
georgios |
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| Feb 13 2001 02:20 | H. Chace Horsman | United States | Client Advisor |
LEG ROOM, LEG ROOM, LEG ROOM!!!!!!! Please make it possible for a tall American to own and drive this car. It was possible with the MGB, certainly Jaguar can manage it! Please, I really want to buy this car!
Sincerely,
Mike Horsman |
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| Feb 12 2001 23:47 | Ross Atherton | United States | IT Professional |
| Only a few comments. The headlights are a little dissapointing...I would prefer to see a more traditional setup as oppossed to the multi-light array. Also, the 'cockpit' of the show car with it's jet black tinted glass was a bit odd. As long as the production version looks more like the drawings in the press kit, all should be well. On the whole the show car was otherwise a masterpiece. I'll be putting a deposit down as soon as the dealer will accept it. Long live the leaping cat! |
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| Feb 12 2001 21:29 | Kurt Maier | United States | Telecomm Project Mgr. |
| The 2000 Concept car rear has a very nice style, clean and styled after an S1 E-Type. The 2001 rear body style is a knock-off, BMW & Audi, not original or Jaguar. The interior is very spartan, not in keeping with Jaguar tradition. It reminds me of the 1960's Porsche Spyder. As a total package, the F-Type is a pretty car but needs rear styling and interior improvement. The wheels also need improving, wire or an F1 style wheel. |
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| Feb 12 2001 19:46 | Frank Ege | United States | Manufacturing Engineer |
Keep it high quality, and low cost. I don't want all of the bells & whistles. I don't even mind cranking windows up with a crank.
Jaguar needs to go back to its roots. Take a lesson from Mazda with the Maiata. Read up on some of Sir Lyons old quotations about styling and cost. He build affordable good looking super cars.
Keep it fun to drive and the styling should have it's own character, make it look different not like every other car is now tending to have that Japenese aerodynamic look.
I now own an 1960 XK150, and an 1994 XJS. Both are special and unique. One can't be compared to the other. except for power and preformance. If it costs more than the Honda 2000. I probably will buy the Honda |
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| Feb 12 2001 13:07 | JEREMY ADAMS | United States | U.S. Marine; legal consultant |
| The car looks great but what price range will it be in and what kind of options will it have? I would like to see the company go back to its old motto of grace, space and above all pace, with this car. I want a car that packs a bigger punch than the xj220. How soon can I reserve my F-type. |
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| Feb 12 2001 10:44 | Geoffrey Phillips | United Kingdom | Architectule technician |
Just a few questions,
1: How much will the F type cost.
2: when can I pay a deposite.
3: when will MY F type be ready for pick or will you deliver.
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| Feb 11 2001 23:15 | Kirby Palm | United States | Engineer (retired) |
Most of the technical gadgetry tacked onto modern automobiles are simply reprehensible, but there is one idea that Jaguar should adopt and use. It is an idea that is popular with custom cars: do away with exterior door handles entirely. The doors and trunk lid should ONLY be openable from the outside with an electronic remote. Once the doors pop open a bit, a handle can be provided within the end of the door to grab and swing the door the rest of the way open. This not only would improve security -- the crooks wouldn't even have a handle to yank on or a tumbler to pick -- but would also clean up the exterior appearance of a car considerably.
A good idea for the F-Type, but a good idea for other Jaguars as well.
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| Feb 11 2001 17:06 | Marco Rem Picci | Italy | Financial Advisor |
| I think the production project is wonderful. There is a V12 6.0 litre Cosworth engine 420bhp with a touchtronic ZF gear ready for this car. Didn't DB7 powered by a jag AJ6 3,2 litre? Now it's the time to give back that favour! |
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| Feb 11 2001 09:17 | John R Jukes | Oman | Mechanical Engineer |
| Truly the F type is the epitome of what has made Jaguar great over the years. Don,t change a thing from the original concept car. I have placed my order. |
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| Feb 10 2001 22:56 | Jo Dormans | Netherlands | coach & train engineer |
The F-type concept I think is a great Jaguar.
The production sketches are ...
more like an update of BMW Z8 rear end, another TVR front, a Renault Argus side stretch.
Is Jaguar going the same road as with the XJ220, showing off a fabulous V12 and then develop it into a rattling V6 that nobody wants to buy.
We'll see
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| Feb 10 2001 13:22 | Jag Nut | Australia | Importer |
Its a little bit of history repeating.
It also has a touch of the future
Its GROOVEY |
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| Feb 10 2001 06:49 | Rod Wall | United States | Law |
| Very nice - round rear lights much better. Thanks |
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| Feb 09 2001 21:28 | Charlotte Branwen | United Kingdom | Student |
Hello,
I love very much the F-type.
It is a very sexy car. It is on my Fairie Wish List.
It looks like it is built with americans in mind, the open-top looks like the XJ13, but I wonder if it has more to do with the Californian climate than heritage? I hope it won't be a boulevard slug, I'd rather see it as an explosive hard-top racer
I think I would prefer to see it called 'XKF' or something similar. Jaguar should be a progressive pedigree instead of a nostalgic old fart.
I hope I might one day drive this car. Trust me boys, it will attract admiring looks from the girls.
(shaguar?)
I just hope it is built for 'DRIVERS' not for the Grandads and the Americans.
love Charlie x
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| Feb 09 2001 16:09 | Miles Wilson | United Kingdom | Musician |
| Really COOL!! |
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| Feb 09 2001 01:06 | William Heun | United States | Architect |
I have owned an XK-150DHC and now own a 63 E-Type OTS and a variety of British sports cars. My first was AH Sprite. In order to live up to the stated design intent "a worthy successor to the E" a few elements must be present. Rear drive, forward looking technology, manual shift available, plenty of power, pleasant interior but not luxurious, excellant handling.
Don't try to be a Miata beater. You won't and no one is interested in an underpowered, cheap Jaguar.
Don't try to be a Porsche beater. Again you won't and we already have enough sterile hi performance cars.
You need better performance than the XK8, but not the size, weight and luxury appointments. Take the XK8 further up market for the dentists' wives and let the F-Type be what the Series 1 E-Type was, a drivers car with style and grace.
If you are going to make the F-type like the later Es, I for one am not interested.
I am loking forward to seeing what you come up with. Please don't do what even BMW did and come out with an underpowered underdeveloped roadster that doesn't get it right for the first three years. I don't think you will be given the grace period. Make it like the original E, great right out of the box.
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| Feb 08 2001 19:38 | Michael V | United States | Minister/College Professor |
I am glad that Jaguar is developing its sports car line, all cars are winners, and I wish the xk180 would be produced ASAP. However, I have three complaints on the F Type, all of which seem to stem from the same problem.
Problem: Someone's grandmother (retired from the budget department) got ahold of the original concept car plans and reworked them! I am sure of it.
1) The original exterrior was a work of art, beautiful, a head turner, the kind of appearance that causes people of (almost) all ages to smile and ask "what kind of car is that??" When the new design lost its curves and cool lights, it lost that special awe inspiring look. (get it?)
2) The car needs more power, and do give people an option of engines as in the XK8/XKR line. The competition in this niche market is too keen now, you're using yesterdays stratedgies. This cat is too tame.
3) The dash board looks like something designed by the guys who designed the original Volkswagen beetle. Someone catch that grandmother. [This goes for the XK180 as well.] This should be a contemporary car. The XK8/R interriors are great. Make walnut available. The metallic surface is also unsafe, it is too reflective and can cause accidents. So, you had a good thing, grandma is still loose and probably holds the purse strings. But grandma is loosing touch with the market. |
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| Feb 07 2001 14:44 | Karen Sylvester | United Kingdom | Analyst Programmer |
| The concept car looked great and was a definate winner however the design sketches for the production model were totally different, the curved line to the back of the car has disappeared along with the circular taillights. These two features of the car were what made the car different and appealing to both the public and the press. I would definately buy a model along the lines of the concept design but would not consider buying one like the 2001 sketches. Someone has come up with a brilliant design I just hope Jaguar don't waste it. |
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| Feb 06 2001 22:27 | K. W. Larson | United States | Undergraduate Student |
| I think that Jaguar is currently producing the most beautiful cars in the world and the F-Type concept will be a immpressive addition to this already stunning line. However, like those before me, I am unhappy with the drawings that came out after the concept car. The taillights do indeed resemble a BMW Z8. Also, the curves appear to have flatened a bit. I love the showcar though. The production version needs to be fast, 0-60mph in roughly 5sec, or the public will dismiss it as just another pretty face. Keep the round tailights, the curvey body and give it real power and the F-Type will be an instant classic! |
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| Feb 06 2001 17:07 | Zahid Ahsanullah | United States | design engineer |
I own a 1968 E-Type Coupe (1E34708) which I have lovingly restored over the years. I like the
sleek and long hood aspect of the car as well as its short height. It is always exciting to get
into this car. What I would like Jaguar to do on a sucessor to the the e-type is to maintain the
sleek nature of the car especially the long hood and the height. This is not a lotus elan or a ferrari,
the driver has got to see a long hood in front of him. Performance comes secondary to looks, but
it must not be a slouch either.
Good luck with the design, I envy you guys.
Zahid |
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| Feb 06 2001 05:29 | Wendell Gray | United States | Consultant |
| I commented previously, but forgot to add a few things. Please, please if you have to go with a soft top (I'd prefer a hard top, but that is just being plan greedy) make it with a GLASS rear window. I also love the manual shift styling. Definitely keep that! Thanks again! |
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| Feb 05 2001 17:42 | Georg Schoch | Germany | Software Engineer |
When I saw the first photos showing the original concept car in 2000 I thought "Wow, this is the best-looking sports car I've seen in years - if it goes into production it will be a huge success" and asked myself if I would be able to afford this car (and I've never been thinking about buying a Mercedes SLK or an Audi TT!).
When I read that the F-Type will actually be produced, I was very excited until I saw the drawings that came with the press release. The wonderful rear part with the round lights was gone and replaced by something looking like a BMW Z8, and the front part reminded me of those Japanese cars which are so ugly that you don't even want to know who is making them. I can't understand how anybody could think that the design of the car had to be changed that way. Who needs a Japanese Z8?
To make a long story short: Dear people at Jaguar, please keep to the concept car design as close as possible - then you will have a true successor for the E-Type and I will start saving my money if I can afford it. If the F-Type looks like the new design sketches, however, I'll save my bucks and go for something different...
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| Feb 05 2001 11:06 | Sam | United Kingdom | Undergraduate Student |
| The initial photo's from press releases and motor shows made the car look fantastic, the best looking car of it's field. However, looking through this website the design for the car in new press releases seems totally different. The rear looks dumpy and undynamic compared to the previous classic design. This is a total waste of opportunity. Please don't make this new car, make the one unveiled at the motorshows that made the public and press get so excited about. This new design is an uninspiring mix between an Audi TT and a Porsche Boxster. The old design was Jaguar through and through - unique, beautiful, stylish. It knew it looked good and simply oozed class and distinction and don'ty worry! - it did look contemporary too! When the original F-Type was revealed to the world, I cut out the photo's from the paper and put them on my wall - believe me I've never being inspired by a car like that ever before. The new car is brutish and, I feel, part of a short term trend of overly powerful looking cars that try to look as aggressive as possible. This won't be seen as a classic car, once the fashion is over it'll be forgotten and so will some of Jaguar's prestige. I thought the concept was to give my generation a new E-Type? It's what people want. |
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| Feb 05 2001 05:46 | Jim Downes | United States | |
I love the 2000 concept car. The rear is especially attractive in a market segment where that is usually not the case. The car would have to have a manual transmission for me. The front of the 200 concept car is great.
The interior seats are, well, overly functional. It is a Jaguar after all. I would like to see some walnut - real walnt, not the blackened stuff. Otherwise, full marks. The mirrors belie the Lyons halmark - functional perfection. They look like a cheap GT sports add-on.
There are definite visible links to e-type styling without it being an e-type II. All in all a great design. |
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| Feb 04 2001 21:47 | Jim | United States | Finance |
| I think the styling of the F-Type is terrific. My only concern is that Jaguar avoid the failing of the original releases of the Porsche Boxter and the BMW Z-3. Both of these were released significantly under powered. These were all style with disappointing performance. I will go ahead and assume the interior finishing will be in keeping with the traditional Jaguar level of quality. |
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| Feb 04 2001 00:40 | Andrew | Canada | Graduate Student |
The F-Type concept car looks absolutely fabulous. It seems to blend elements of the E-Type, the beautiful and athletic haunches of the of the Porsche Boxster, yet remains modern. Good too is the F-Type's tight body that seems to hug "the essential mechanics." Although the Boxster is quite a nicely styled automobile, it is a bit on the frumpy side. The styling cues borrowed from the XK180 are right on.
I hope to see a production car with an interior similar to the concept. I think a manual is a must, as is a retractable soft top with glass rear window, leather, wood or aluminum trim (the interior of the concept fit the car very well; the aluminum dash was gorgeous - but make sure to use real wood and aluminum for the production car). I would like to see two models available: a minimalist version that combines qualities say, of the Boxster and the Lotus Elise; a touring version with more amenities would make the F-Type more viable. Ford parts should most definitely not be used, and the class and feel of the exterior and interior should be top rate. The price should run no more than about L30,000 ($40,000 US). The F-Type should give a nod to Jaguar's past, utilize the most modern technology, and above all evoke strong emotions.
The only things I don't like are the headlight design (too many lights) and the rear view mirror positions. The styling of the 2000 concept car is, as I said wonderful, but the recent concept drawings (2001) that I have seen are way off and quite ugly looking. As many previous posts have said, stick to the concept car.
Good luck with the F-Type Jaguar! Ian Callum designed the DB7, so I'm sure the new roadster will be just as stunning.
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| Feb 03 2001 20:53 | Capt David Polo Marks | United Kingdom | |
| Love the car so much I wish I could buy the company, but I've had to make do with a 1963 series 1 E-type and with placing my deposit on the F-type. The next 3-4 years waiting for her will be absolutely hell. |
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| Feb 03 2001 14:01 | Kevin | United States | |
| I love the overall design of this beautiful roadster ! It's design should stay the same when it goes on sale ! The interior is so beautiful ! I would love to see it compete with the Z3,SLK,and Boxster ! |
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| Feb 03 2001 06:55 | Bryan McCavour | Canada | |
Many car magazines and automobile enthusiasts have talked about the "rebirth" of the sports convertible. BMW has brought back the classic roadster proportions with the Z3, Porsche a timeless and balanced roadster in the Boxster and Mazda the affordable sports car in the Miata. However, I beleive that the F-Type will be the true rebirth of the classic roadster if Jaguar can get it right (there is much competition - the Boxster and Z3 are beautiful, classy and athletic cars). I think the F-Type concept evokes the heritage of Jaguar's past, while at the same time looking forward. The F-Type has the potential to retain the timeless beauty and image of the E-Type while still holding its own in terms of styling, performance and modern technology.
That said, I have three, quibbles over some aspects of the F-Type design. These "concerns" are shared by fellow friends and Jag enthusiasts. Although as a whole the F-Type is beautiful, these relatively minor quibbles, should they make it to the production car would likely deter me from buying the F-Type.
1. The arachnid-like front headlight cluster detracts very much from the overall elegance of the car. Such a headlight design, while likely having some advantages, looks far too busy. No doubt a headight design similar to that on the Aston Martin DB7 could be used. By far the only ugly part of the car and the main thing I don't want to make to production.
2. Although this design element will likely not make it to production, the position of the rear-view mirrors is quite silly looking. The XK180 style windshield is gorgeous, but the mirrors need repositioning.
3. A final, minor quibble is the size of the F-Type's alloys. 20 inches is far too large. Good handling characteristics can be had with 17 or 18 inch wheels; 20 inches simply distracts from the automobile. I urge Jaguar to resist the trend of the "ever increasing wheels size." The design itself however, is a nice, modern interpretation of the cross-spoke rims of the 60's (al la E-Type and Aston Martin DB5).
Apart from that, the car is wonderful. Being educated and in my early 20's, I'm in the demographic which Jaguar wants to buy the F-Type, and subsequently stay loyal to the brand. The F-Type looks high on my list of cars to buy in the next few years, but the Porsche Boxster and Z3 in particular, are very appealing. I urge Jaguar to take my views into consideration. Thank you.
Cheers
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| Feb 03 2001 02:11 | Robert Farry | United States | |
I love the new Jaguar F-type! I think that it has all the charisma of the origainal, tasefully updated without losing the original character. I like the 2001 design but I wish that you would bring back the windows on he side. If the rear vision mirror is a problem then just put it on the outside of the mirror instead of on the mirror. Whe looking at the drawings of the 2001 model are more like the original, elegant and cat like. Please keep the "bone lines" i love them. They give the car real character. Truth be told I think the new Jaguar F-type is a stunning car that I would love to own.
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| Feb 02 2001 20:33 | John Walker | United States | |
The original concept vehicle is much better looking than the 2001 vehicle. I would buy a vehicle styled like the 2000 concept. I would not buy a Jaguar that looks like the 2001.
Whatever you produce it should come with a manual transmission and clutch (not a overly complicated automatic/manual box) and minimal bells and whistles. Make power windows, power seats, and air conditioning optional. It must be rear wheel drive.
Interior should be wool and leather. Forget the current fad of lots of polished stainless or aluminum trim on the dash and console. Your designers should be taking a long hard look at the Series II E-type dash.
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| Feb 02 2001 06:26 | Mikko Kaukonen | Finland | |
| After viewing the new artist drawings I must say go with the original concept car design . The sketches look like a new Mercedes SLK. So don't go there! A hard top convertible would be preferable. |
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| Feb 01 2001 22:23 | Terence Donohue | Canada | |
I thought the F Type concept captured the spirit of the E Type. I particularly like the back end and the round lights. I am disturbed to see the sketches that accompanied the production announcement. The sketches look like a poor-man's boxster. I don't want to buy a poor-man's boxster, I want to buy a successor to the spirit of the E Type. I am relieved to read that these are earlier sketches. I hope the new car will look much closer to the concept car.
The lights on the concept car take away from the design. They should have more character. Rounder lights would look better, and more like an E Type.
I will be buying either a Boxster or an F Type within the next five years to add to a small collection. If the production car looks more like the concept and less like the earlier sketches, I will buy the F Type. |
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| Feb 01 2001 14:50 | David Meek | United States | Technology Consultant |
I loved the F-Type concept. I wouldn't change a thing, especially the way the side window tops align with the rear of the car. I enjoyed every angle of the car including the rear end. The rear on the S-Type looks like a Ford Taurus, Yawn.
I think that the F-Type should not be an updated E-Type. Trying to put too many Jaguar family styling cues into it will kill the overall design. I think it should be a very unique design in it's own right and a true minimalist sports car. The E-Type was so uniquely fresh when it debuted in 1961. |
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| Feb 01 2001 14:20 | John | United States | |
| Sweet! It's my favorite car because of it's aerodynamics |
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| Feb 01 2001 06:37 | jim lowda | United States | mechanical engineer |
| I've owned 6 E-Types, and currently own three, and an XJS. I'm glad to see Jaguar back in the sports car market. The XK8 is beautiful, but what bothers me is that it is only available with automatic transmission. Now you can feed me all that crap about what a great transmission it is, and I'm sure it is. But it's not a manual trans, and I'm sorry, but that bothers me, and a lot of other people. Please don't do that to the F-Type. Let the car have a proper box, 5,or 6 speed. Don't worry, it will sell!! And yes, my XJS has a 5 speed. |
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| Jan 31 2001 22:27 | Gary Kaye | United States | |
When I first saw the original drawings I was simply overtaken with enthusiasm along with the immediate desire to leave an initial deposit for this vehicle.
After see the new concept drawings I feel that the initial beauty and simplicity of design has been lost to yet another Boxter or Z3. The car now has that overall fat and rounded look of the Boxter loosing that initial glorifying and captivating rear end and that sleek and fast e-type look and feel. The front lights seem to be a bit too futuristic and not integrating with the overal retro feel. As handling and power are part of this great vehicle, please do it right on the first go and provide us with the well deserved naturally aspired engine and power,needless to say a great 5 speed.
Do not compromise on what you are attemptiny to achieve in providing us with a great true sports car and do not give us just one more boxter look alike. |
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| Jan 31 2001 21:36 | Fortunat Schraemmli | Switzerland | Electrical Engineer |
I am a real car fan and I own today 3 Alfa Romeos, a 2600 Cabriolet, a GTV6/2.5 and a new GTV3.0.
Last year I saw the F-type Concept at the Geneva Motor Show and I really like this car so much that I would change from Alfa to Jaguar. It is not to difficult to change, because this 2 brands have similar traditions and the "cuore sportivo" is probably suffering under the influence of GM.
But I have to mention, that I like more the rear of the Concept F-Type than the rear in the new drawings you published at the beginning of this year. The new rear looks a little bit inspired from a Porsche Boxster and the Concept car rear is the real reinterpretation of the famous E-Type.
For me the cockpit of the Concept as shown in Geneva uses to much metal. It would be nice to have some uncovered aluminium from the body structure as i a Lotus Elise inside, but the dashboard is to shiny with all this aluminium.
For me it is really important that this car will be a real rear wheel driven sportscar with a very lightweight (1100Kg) but stiff body, with well balanced suspension and a superior sports engine (normally aspirated, 3.0l, 250-280HP at 7500 rev/s) similar to a BMW M3. I don’t need this comfort stuff like electric windows, seats and things like that. Even an airconditioner could be an option. In case of rain I just need a manually operated fabric roof.
If you reduce the market acceptance to much with this spartanic equipation, then offer 2 version, one spartanic for the real sportsmen and a rich version for the american market.
I would prefer to spend my money in high performance parts like the Brembo braking calipers as shown in the Conceot, than to have much luxury inside the car.
If I could clarify the mentioned things at the next Geneva Motor Show, then I think I will place an order for this fabulous car. |
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| Jan 31 2001 00:40 | DorisAnn Eaton | Canada | Fashion Designer |
| The shape of the F-TYPE is well balance, but the design of the rear lights (on the drawing) reflects on the design of the rear of the BMW Z8 roadster. However, the overall design still evokes the history of Jaguar without being retro. This modern interpretation of the Jaguar is elegant and sporty, but I feel Jaguar tries to market the F-TYPE by reminding their customers of the XKE, which I believe is not effective. The new F-TYPE is going to be a new legend for the company, and therefore it should not be under the shadow of another legend. |
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| Jan 30 2001 17:44 | Dean Hubbard | United States | Mechanical Designer |
| Regarding the syling, the F-Type is a visually balanced and exciting design. There is no committee compromise evident in it's looks. It looks like a Jaguar. I'm rather tired of boxy sports coupes and rice machines out of Saturday morning cartoons. The F-Type looks to be a real sports car with class. The Z3 looks like an old shoe. The Boxster is overpriced. The Japanese make spiritless appliances. Long live the F-Type. |
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| Jan 30 2001 16:41 | Peter Hill | United States | Architect |
The prototype car you have been showing since about February 2000 is Simply Gorgeous. I have already put my name on the local Jaguar Dealer's (pre-)list. This will be my 2nd Jaguar (w/ '53 XK 120)
The drawings released with the Production Announcement are Totally Ugly. What did you do? ...let Ford Marketing in on the Design? If this is what the Production Vehicle will look like, I'll cancel immediately. I wouldn't get near that car.
One other thing, please. Be sure not to underpower this car. Put the correct engine in the First Production Model. Otherwise you will have a very unhappy group of Initial Buyers, the people you most need to make this model a success |
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| Jan 30 2001 10:43 | Debbie | United Arab Emirates | |
| I wish the guys at Jaguar would stop promising a revival of the E Type, neither the XK8 or the F Type comes a close second. The XK8 is catering to the BMW/Mercedes saloon car buisness men; and the F Type to the Z3/etc. crowd. |
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| Jan 29 2001 20:58 | Frank Chae | United States | Car Enthusiast |
Drop the F in the new name or the new roadster will forever be referred as "F, as in Ford-Type".
The production drawings are disappointing to the concept model. No doubt this roadster will be the size of Mercedes SLK or BMW Z3, since I assume that these are the vehicles that Jag is targeting.
Leave this "F-type" for college grads and Daddy's princesses. How about a more affordable version of the concept XK180 vehicle in the neighbourhood of $60K? The true E-type fans will still have to wait because neither the XKR nor the F-type are true successors. |
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| Jan 29 2001 18:47 | Frank Leith | United States | |
| As a previous e-type (1966) owner and currently an XK8 owner, I am very pleased with the overall look of the F-type. However, the metallic dash has to go! Also, if oil and battery gauges are included, they should be working gauges and not gauge idiot lights as on the XK8. |
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| Jan 29 2001 03:51 | Jono | Australia | Student |
Personally in my opinion the F-type is a lovely car once being viewed from the exterrior, however once I saw the interrior I was nearly sick! the metallic dashboard is an eyesoar and unlike any other Jaguar ever made...
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| Jan 29 2001 03:49 | Russell Cramer | United States | retired |
| I have owned six Jaguars and currently have a xk-140 DH, XJS-C, and a XJ-40. All of this is to say I have a long love affair with the marque,but have been disappointed with the XK-8 design and high price! I think the F-type is both exciting to look at and potentially exciting to drive if offered with a manual transmission and a price under forty thousand. I've driven several XK-8's and find them very boring to drive despite all the performance and options. |
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| Jan 28 2001 23:45 | Dinky Thomas | United States | CPA |
You guys did it again. Another beauty has been resurrected!
Please keep astonishing me and giving me chills every time a pass a JAGUAR.
Thank you,
Dinky |
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| Jan 28 2001 09:28 | Austell Lanyon | Australia | School |
| I don't see how you people compare this with the e type caus i love the e type and this does not seem to come any where close to it |
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| Jan 28 2001 09:20 | Austell Lanyon | Australia | School |
| The new Jag is nice but a bit to futuristic for me. what i want to see is the xk180 had a bit more work done to it and put into production. it is very sporty and has lots of characteristics which are jaguar. Many of you will probably think i'm an idiot but hey XK180 in and F Type out |
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| Jan 27 2001 05:26 | Leon Wilson | Australia | Education |
I might be young at the age of 15, but Jaguars have been my life for years and i love everyone of them, The F-Type is not very different to other Jaguars its just newer and of couse newer isent always better, but i like the idea of the designers trying to put together a modern car which also has classic Jaguar feachers like the Long bonet and short behind. Just like other Jaguar roadsters. I like the Idea of trying to put steel insteed of the walnut vener, but as a Jaguar admierer I think all Jaguars do need the Walnut. It was a good idea but just not practical. Hey but at least it can still be reconized as a Jaguar.
The only thing i have against not neserserily the F-Type, but since 1996 Jaguar have bought out model after model, and maybe its just me but i feel that Jaguar are pushing things abit ofcource it is exiting seing a new Jaguar for the first time but through out the History of Jaguar they have only had up to three Jaguars at the same time new, i might be wrong but thats what i think. The F-Type is a fantastic design and the people who worked on it should be congratulated.
I would love to talk about these issues more
Thank you for reading my points |
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| Jan 27 2001 04:17 | Kyle A. Krasa | United States | College Student |
| I think the F-Type design is awesome. The only problem I have with the F-Type is that in the prototype there is no wood. ALL Jaguars should have wood in the interior! That is what makes a Jaguar a Jaguar! |
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| Jan 27 2001 03:51 | richard skillman | United States | retired |
| ive read all the comments--------what a bunch of jerks are the ones that dont like the ftype. ive had jags since 67 and still have my etype-----have wore it out twice and rebuild it and planning to ware it out again. we do long distance touring---in the thousands of miles--------with the top down,except in heavy rains, snow and concours and with a big luggage rack. the only car that execites me is the ftype with no top and modern driving gear. can you believe driving on a lonely desert hwy heading for hotel california. you people that dont like the ftype dont know what true living is. we plan on getting one and wearing it out a few times----later. |
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| Jan 26 2001 19:13 | Mike O'Rourke | United States | Aircraft Accident Investigator |
As the very proud owner of 3 E-types (67, 70, & 72), I would have to say the if you went with the prototype, I would add one to our "stable". It is truly a eye pleasing design and its lines lead one to envision what the follow-on the the E-Type (c. 1975) would/should have looked like.
As for the prototype, it looks like all of the other scrunched up rearend two seaters now available on the market - the ones I don't and won't own.
Hail to the folks at Jaguar (FORD) for the very beautiful & stylish F-Type concept design. Stay with it!
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| Jan 26 2001 14:47 | rolf Schmidt | Germany | engineer automotive industry |
As a owner of a Series 1 E-type and as an engineer employed with one of the best car manufacturer in history I hope the f-type will catch the spirit of the e-type without using the old e-type styling just as fake. That means on many present car stylings I miss the function of styling features. An air outlet or a bulge need a technical function and not only a styling feature.
The f-type show car was fascinating from the styling especially the wind screen was a dream but difficult to get it qualified through the authority. The drawings I have seen recently were simply awful and would offend me if the f-type will look like that.
I´m sure to design the f-type is one of the most difficult jobs you can get and I cross my fingers for the team who has to do it. |
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| Jan 26 2001 06:38 | Mr R McLeod | United Kingdom | Project Engineer |
| The F Type 2001 is a terrible revision of the 2000 version. Absolutely no style or class, unless it is aimed at the lower end of the market it will fail dramatically. |
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| Jan 26 2001 04:31 | Chris Rogers | United States | Architect |
| I too must agree that I prefer the look of the first concept over this one. Whereas the first concept looked like a Jag, the new drawings have the car looking more like a Mitsubishi Eclipse crossed with the Mercedes SLK. If Jaguar can't get back closer to the first try, I'll just keep driving my E-type. |
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| Jan 26 2001 01:45 | Phillip Dunkley | Australia | Business Manager |
I'm a little disappointed, the original F-Type was sex on wheels, and the fact it was a Jaguar simply made it that much better. The new drawings while still nice don't have that "Oh my god I must have it" feeling anymore.
If Dodge and Chrysler can produce production versions of their concepts and stay close to the original look and feel, Surely Jaguar can do the same. To so drastically change the look of a concept that had such a profound impact may me a big mistake. |
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| Jan 25 2001 23:49 | Matthew Willoughby | United Kingdom | Student |
| The original concept looked far better! It was stunning when I saw it. The best looking car at the 2000 British Motor Show. The new pictures seem bloated and to have lost some of the '50s Le Mans inspiration. The back of the car on the new drawings looks like a Z8. Oh dear. Please go back. |
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| Jan 25 2001 22:36 | BONNARD PATRICK | United Kingdom | |
| As an E type owner, I was very pleased to see a few months ago that Jaguar was thinking about reviving the spirit and the heart of many people who are away from us and who created this piece of ART which is the E type. When I saw the new shape I feel that this spirit is nearly gone and the F type as it presented looks like a Porsche, nothing much. Please let us dream about a fantastic design a new way of driving a car, something which is as deep as it was 40 years ago when those people saw this E type, something which could never be copied. keep me informed, thanks. |
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| Jan 25 2001 21:45 | Danny-UK | United Kingdom | Student |
How can anyone put the Jaguar F-Type down?
It has fantastic looks and we all know it will handle like a dream.
It's in the same position as when the Lotus Elise came out and look how that turned the small sports car sector on its head.
Lets not forget it's not all about looks but also about the performance and we all know that it'll be good.
The F-Type will come up against the Boxter, the SLK and the Z3 and staright away it beats the Z3 on looks and we all know the performance of the Z3 is pretty poo aswell as the SLK, it's main rival will be the Boxter which is a great car but I feel that the F-Type will be a great hit and I must congratulate Jaguar for putting it into production!
So lets have less of this "I'm not sure about the looks" and more of "what a creation!" |
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| Jan 25 2001 20:52 | Charles King-Holford | United Kingdom | Public relations |
I'm stunned! I cannot see how anyone considers the rehashed 2001 design drawings as an improvement on Helfet's original! It's a sadly modern disease to imagine that a person's individual gift and unique craft can somehow be bettered or made more contemporariy relevant by playing with it.
I think I feel all the more strongly about this because, maybe unwittingly, Ford could not have chosen a more inappropriate design to play around with. Every car maker - and Britain's tie to the speciallist sportster is deeper than most - would die for Helfet's skills and his eye. It would be the corporate crime of this century if Ford ignores them.
disappointed of Streatham.
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| Jan 25 2001 19:31 | trevor maycock | United Kingdom | technical manager |
As an E Type owner I was truly excited by the announcement of the F Type. The original concept looked truly superb. I am looking at a photograph as I sit here. Really like the original style. Certainly would prefer the original front light treatment to the recently published info. Am also a little worried about the waist line treatment. Pictures seem to show an inverse channel running the length of the car below the windows.
The interior has to be modern but, should reflect the original E Type quality and feel. New gizmos such as traction control, anti-lock, retardation control are all very good but, don't forget the Lotus Elise was an absolute hoot without all this!!
Am looking forward to further development pictures.
Also am contacting my local dealer to see if Jaguar are taking advanced orders/deposits. Anyone know? |
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| Jan 25 2001 18:34 | Bob Grossman | United States | Jaguar sportsman |
| The overall shape of this car is very satisfying. I prefer the front lighting package of the prototype over the styling version. The rear rendition of the styling version is preferable to the round lamp, unfinished look of the prototype. More importantly, do not forget those who appreciate the performance aspects of the Jaguar sportscar. My preferences in a Clubman model run to super or turbocharged V6 engine, paddle operated six speed semi automatic trans, lightweight manual seats, no raido/cd/multispeaker/air conditioner/powerwindows/SRS/curiso/trackcontrol/ABS, lightweight bonnet and deck, large diameter discs and a functional dash with reliable switchgear. Rollbar mounts and wide restraint webbing are desirable. Rain sensor not required. |
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| Jan 25 2001 18:18 | Bas Stroink | Netherlands | student |
| Not that i think writing here will do any matter. I really dont know much about the problems one encounters designing cars. I do know however when a car looks great and when it doesnt. I think the xk180 and original f-type concept were the greatest looking cars ever. I was really glad to read in the newspaper the f-type would be taken into production... until i saw the pictures, which had nothing much to do with the original f-type. According to this website this mail is supposed to go to the people who work at jaguar styling. So if that's true, please make the final f-type look more like the original, rather than some z8/db7 rip-off. |
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| Jan 25 2001 16:51 | Brian Schreurs | United States | Editor |
Offhand I would say there is little that I can offer which has not been said already. But I'll give it a go. It's not every day I'm invited to weigh in on an automotive design.
The differences between the original concept and the recent styling exercise are dramatic. I must assume that such a change, particularly to the rear of the car, is due to engineering concerns for a road vehicle. I cannot imagine anyone at Jaguar looked at the concept and said "y'know, this car is ugly."
Without knowing the engineering reasons for the change, it's hard to assess what is to be done about it. One can guess, however, that aerodynamics play a major role. Regardless, it would be nice to see aerodynamic issues resolved by more subtle means.
The new styling exercise is both more modern, favoring crisp accents over gentle contours, and more evocative of the E-Type in the tail. Look at the tail from the lights up, and it does look quite like an E-Type. However, this could be an example where heritage does not play well with modern themes. The upper E-Type merged with the lower aero skirting comes out looking blocky, almost SVX-like.
I find nothing to offend in the styling exercise's side and front treatments, though the family resemblance to the XK8 is unmistakable.
Overall, I prefer the original concept, though not for the same reasons as many of my friends here. The new styling exercise is *too* derivative, I think; literally an effort to build an E-Type using the modern formula, whereas the original concept borrowed the themes and emotions of the C-, D-, and E-Types without attempting to recreate any of them. The concept says "I am a Jaguar sportscar" but the styling exercise says "I am trying to be a New E-Type".
One final thought... none of this matters if the car is only available with an automatic... I would only buy a manual.
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| Jan 25 2001 13:58 | Andrew Clark | Switzerland | Software Engineer |
Just one point about the styling.
I tried to put down a deposit when I saw the concept car but it wasn't possible, now I have seen the 2001 brochure I'm glad I didn't! Keep the styling as close to the concept car as possible, it was the best looking car I have see in years and could only be a Jaguar, the drawings in the brochure where a huge disappointment. This will be 'just another sports car', when it could have been something special.
'Dare to be different' |
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| Jan 25 2001 11:24 | Charles King-Holford | United Kingdom | Public relations |
Up front, I'm not a Jaguar owner. I have a Caterham 7, which as some of you may know is a Lotus 7 in modern clothes and about the only car Colin Chapman ever designed that made him money. However I would buy, without hesitation, a Helfet beauty.
Yet there is trouble ahead. Last week's Autocar Magazine, ran a cover story on the 'improved' styling of Helfet's original and it's a disaster, frankly. It couldn't be anything else. Here's the letter I had published in the current issue of the magazine registering my point:
"Sir, it seems such a shame that Keith Helfet's concept, the Jaguar F-type, is felt to need a redesign. Worse, if your pictures are anything to go by, Ford's big men have clearly given the instruction to the artist whose work you display: "make it look like a BMW Z8 from the back, bloody awful from side on and give it some waspish [Lotus] Elise headlights up front. Oh, and make sure you destroy the soul of one of the most beautiful concepts ever built, okay?"
Some of us dared to believe that Ford's chiefs might actually create something here that flew in the face of profit-driven logic. But of course we were wrong."
Well, some may feel I'm over-reacting. I don't feel that way obviously and I'm quite sure that, if you have the opportunity to see the 'redesign' drawings, you'll agree.
It's rare to find so much beauty and so simply expressed in one car. I pray Jac Nasser, Wolfgang Reitzle and co act on what I know they feel. Come on Dearborn, give over.
regards
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| Jan 25 2001 08:37 | doc | United States | Jaguar dealer |
Gentlemen:
1. Avoid letting Ford's influence or interfere either in design, mechanics or electricals.
2 Elongate that geat bonnett design by 2 -2 1/2 inches. if necessary, move the windscreen back further to the rear.(something you should have done with the XK 8) THIS IS NOT TO BE A COPY OF OR A SMALLER VERSION OF THE XK 8 JUST BECAUSE IT SELLS WELL. THIS WILL BE THE "F" TYPE" Keep its individuality from the start.
3. Leave off door handles , keep it a true OTS
4. Keep the double headest farings (XK 180)
5. 5-6 forward speeds
6. Built in bumpers , no atatchments or overiders.
7 19 -20 inch wheels (excellent look of your current alloy wheels) Optional wires should be considered.
8 Engine that can have Supercharger as optional equipment (ie: V-6) Must be all Jaguar .
9 This car looks as though it will be a "complete" style as opposed to the "S" sedan that is only half done, with a Lincoln or Ford rear.(not even a good copy)
10. Try to keep price down by avoiding electronics such as electric windows, etc.
11. Keep car a "driver's car" avoiding 'creature comforts".(perhaps power steering)
12 less stainless and chrome on dash. Just because the other guy, BMW< Mercedes, etc, is doing it, doesn't make it necessary for Jaguar )
13 Sound: Remember buyers have five, not four senses. Therefore keep exhaust in back so as to pass sound emmission tests and allow a louder note (as opposed to the wimpy sound of the fabulous V-10 Viper, due to side exhausts being located where test mikes were placed, when introduced)
14 Keep padding on steering wheel "thin' as opposed to your sedans so that people can "feel" the road.
15. No cruise control
16. Make air optioal
17 No automatic under ANY condition.
18. In a nutshell.......DONT MAKE THIS CAR SOMETHING FOR ALL PEOPLE, leave the shopping cart and automatic transmission with the XK 8 and "S" type.
STAY THE COURSE AND PRAY AT NIGHT TO SIR WILLIAM TO CONTINUE TO GUIDE YOU ....YOU ARE ON THE CORRECT PATH....STAY ON IT ......DISCIPLINE GENTLEMEN, DISCIPLINE.
YOU WILL BE HANDSOMLY REWARDED BOTH IN SPIRIT AND IN SALES.. REMEMBER THIS IS THE LONG AWAITED F TYPE 26 Years of waiting and wondering ...."will they or won't they?" "Why have they been so blind as to wait so long?"..... COURAGE! COURAGE! |
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| Jan 24 2001 23:51 | Dan | United States | Student |
This design is awsome. It really brings a very modern view to Jaguar and when I become rich this Jag will be my first purchase
Thanks |
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| Jan 24 2001 22:44 | Geoffrey | United States | Computer Specialist |
I like the overall execution of the existing prototype over the ensuing drawings, which look more like what the stylist's 18 y.o. son came up with in study hall. It seems to reflect what happened to the Boxter on the way from concept to production -- loosing its svelte curvatiousness and getting somewhat chunky and blocky looking, especially in the rear.
And for some reason, full, heavy rear styling (I call it the full diaper look) have been popular for the past decade -- look at the trim, taut rear of an XKE for comparison.
The sketches seem to show too much of the British tendancy towards design silliness (as distinct from design advancement) that they seem so prone to (to wit, the XK-8 rear bumper treatment.)
The design should rely on brilliantly executed basic forms and lines as in the D & E-Types rather than baubles, fins, scoops, and outher gaudy adornments. As with the XKE, the bare bodyshell should look stunning.
Otherwise:
Motor: N.A. 4.0 V-8 at >350 hp
Tranny: 6-speed manual with maybe a 5-speed ATX optional after a year
Drive Wheels: Rear
Seats: 2
Weight: <3000 lbs
Price: $35-40K
Avoid the profusion of electronic driving aids and interior gadgets -- use the more expensive XJ-8 as the digital tech showcase and let the F-type be a far more affordable, involving, and driver focused car. Manual windows might even make a rather bold statement in this regard that this is not another video game but a real drivers car.
Also, all the talk of AWD, super/tubocharging, electronic shifting, V-12, no Ford bits (all custom Jag) etc., will quickly elevate the price to well above $50K. The emphasis should be on the QUALITY of design and engineering, not the QUANTITY. Otherwise, weight and cost bloat will balloon out of hand. I hope the F-Type project managers are of steely discipline and resolve here, especially in face of the marketeers. |
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| Jan 24 2001 20:05 | Johanes Dokan | Canada | banking Investor |
| The fantastic style behind this ar is amazing. The local dealer has not accepted my deposit, and even my bribe was denied. This car must come with a standard transmission, my freinds and I are sick of this high-performance automatic reality, give it a 6-speed and it will be in my garage. |
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| Jan 24 2001 20:03 | Alex Drysdale | Australia | |
To follow the lines of the classic jaguar racers (E- & D- type) is by far the best path.
One thing is let's not lose the wood from the cars. |
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| Jan 24 2001 13:10 | Chuffart jérôme | France | Student and jaguar enthousiast |
I just would like to tell you thanks for give life back to the spirit of the E-Type with the F-Type showcar.
For me this car will ever stay the most beautifull and agreable to drive car in the world.
Jaguar get down when William Lyons retired from the company and -that's my opinion- we can see it on the E-Type II and III.
So, thanks again if you can product the F-Type in good "composition" between engineers and designers.
I have only one comment on your design:
Delete the little line on the side of the car (front wings to rear wings) which doesn't make sense.
good bye |
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| Jan 24 2001 04:27 | Alan Wilson | United States | |
| The 2000 Concept looks right. Makes me feel young. 2001 job makes me tired. Please, no TV, talking, memory seats, rain sensors, active suspension, ford engines, 4wd, radar, infrared heads up, etc. Keep the electronics under the "bonnet". More tire, less wheel. And keep the price as reasonable as you can. The Z8 is great, but how many are seriously thinking about buying one. Do whatever Sir William would have done. And thanks for the great exhibit (and the bag) at the LA Auto Show. |
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| Jan 24 2001 04:15 | Gerrish Burstow | Australia | Engineer |
The looks are right on the money. Getting a practical top that doesn't spoil the look will be key. Plenty of chrome may stand this car apart(eg.bumpers/mirrors, light surrounds etc.), particularly on the inside. Keep the simple dash that has the E type/Mk2 layout, central secondary gauges, main gauges in front, witch gear in the centre. It should reflect what Jaguar has been and what it is now trying to restore, ie. a technology and design leader.
Can it be built on a 4wd platform, ie. 'x'type. This may open up options for rally racing it. Powerful motor will be expected, but is supercharing alone enough, ie. Mercedes Kompressor, this would only be catchup. What about supercharger and turbocharger!! Minimise turbo lag and provide maximum low end with turbo coming in at higher revs using the free energy of the exhaust gases.I like the idea of a light weight new gen V8 or V12 that revs with torque as well
Maybe one of the new generation 2 stroke motors??
Gearbox will be important. What about a sequential 6 speed with steering wheel operation like F1.
Mediocre specs will not make this a landmark car which it really should and can be, if Jaguar is to be restored to former glory. |
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| Jan 24 2001 01:49 | K. Cox | United States | System Analyst |
| I am a E-type owner with 30 years of E-type driving excitement. I like the styling of your F prototype. Just as important as the car's looks, is the fact that the car must live up to it's racing heritage. If it is capable, with minor modifications, to be a tough competitor on the track, then it will live up to the E-type heritage. The press and media attention from wins at the track translate into higher sales numbers at the showroom. I think there is quite an opportunity for the F-Type to capture the hearts and minds of the astute performance oriented car enthusiast! |
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| Jan 24 2001 00:54 | ANDREW J. ALLEN | United States | Retired |
| As a proud, former owner of a 1974 E-type, I have only one request of the developers of the F-type: do not put a rear seating area in the F-type. This new car should only have 2 seats. The so-called rear seats of recent Jaguar roadsters are too small and are not pleasing to the eye. I have every intention of buying an F-type, but only if it has only 2 seats. |
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| Jan 24 2001 00:05 | MARK WINN,SR. | United States | JAG LOVER../STOCK |
| I LOVE IT..SO MAKE IT..GO JAG.. |
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| Jan 23 2001 23:33 | Jim Roal | United States | Engineer |
| Put an optional V12 in it. While the supercharged V8 is really a fantastic performer and much more practical and economical for the street, there is something about a V12. It is part of the Jaguar heritage and it should return. Perhaps in a 5L, or even smaller package. Make it light, 4 valve per cylinder, DOHC, and make it rev. Give it at least 400HP, even if it has to rev to 8000rpm to get it (like the BMW M3). Also, offer this F-type with a 6-speed manual transmission. Now that would be a fun car! |
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| Jan 23 2001 20:03 | Jamaine Washington | United States | student |
| A jaguar is my dream car and I plan to have one by the age of 26. |
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| Jan 23 2001 00:44 | Bryan | Canada | |
| The F-type concept is one of the most unique yet classic ideas I have yet to have seen in a new automobile. I will surely be on the order list from my local dealer as soon as it is available in Canada. |
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| Jan 22 2001 11:15 | Petri Savolainen | Finland | |
The original concept would make it to be the first new car in our family (and number 2 overall, after our XJ12), but I do not think that the "revised" version will be bought. It looks too much like XK8/R and wouldn't have "the edge". Both I and my wife love older jaguar designs, they have somethign that the newer cats miss, i.e XJ, Mk 2, E-type and likes have something that hits your guts, both behind the wheel and outside.
What comes to my wish list, the F-type should have power under the bonnet, and dump most of the comfort gadgets and make it true (spartan?) sports car with affordable price tag. For cruising I use the XJ, for driving the F-type. Acceleration, speed, and enough rumble from the engine. And now back to making money for the purchase :-) |
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| Jan 22 2001 05:31 | Albert Escalante | United States | automotive writer |
| Although nearly 20 years overdue, thanks to somebodys great idea to produce the XJS instead. That move was one of the biggest Bonehead ideas of the BMC/British Leyland era. I hope the design can be modernized enough that the car isn't dismissed as an oddity or worse yet,an idea whos time has come (1975) and gone! Maybe William Lyons will smile upon the project and instill this Jaguar that something special that only a truly great Jaguar provides. |
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| Jan 22 2001 04:10 | Wendell Gray | United States | Consultant |
| From a pure style standpoint I think the closer you can keep the car to its prototype shape the better. That includes the interior as well. Now the good stuff...it must be able to offer at least 250 - 300 HP once it comes out in three years. I say this because its direct competitors (i.e. Boxster, Honda S2000) will have similar HP by the time this vehicle is sold. Please make the car as balanced from a handling standpoint as possible. Would love to not see the retracted roof deter the lines of the vehicle (must be able to disappear without some ugly boot). Please keep it in the $45K+ range with a fair amount of standard equipment. Don't turn it into the al a carte that the Boxster became. Sure the base price is $40,000, but to get cruise control and a decent stereo you automatically add $5K to the bottom line. Finally, thank you for going ahead. I have put off my purchase of a Porsche Boxster for this vehicle... |
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| Jan 21 2001 22:58 | Robert Wright | Australia | Nurseryman |
Fantastique. But will it look like this when it hits the showroom floor, and more importantly will it be S type money or XKR type money on arrival. I currently drive a '75 XJ-C bought new by my father and cherished by him until 2 years ago when he retired and bought a new S type. We also club race a Proteus C type replica. Jag in the blood, you bet.
BUY ONE, well I don't know unless Jaguar follows Mike Nortons advice (posted here Jan19) and I quote
"""Please! Please! Remember the roots. The thing the "S" type is lacking is that it doesn't have enough
"S". Please give this one more "E"."""
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| Jan 21 2001 21:06 | Lawrence W. Berman | United States | Insurance adjuster |
Can't wait to see this vehicle in dealer showrooms for sale. Have tried to give our local Jaguar dealer a deposit. They won't accept it at this time. I drive
an XJR sedan and love it and have owned at vintage raced two (2) XK-120 roadsters over the past twenty (20) years. The F-Type should be created as a direct cousin of the E-type and the XK-120. These were milestones in their eras. Hope that Jaguar can repeat history.
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| Jan 21 2001 08:42 | Pierre Gouélo | France | University teacher |
Great idea to propose the F-type.
The style is very nice ,but any information about the roof? Will-it be like a Mercedes CLK or a peugeot 206 CC???
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| Jan 21 2001 06:28 | Todd Robert Hartzell | United States | Project Manager |
The KEY is balance folks... Good performance, good handling... Comfortable but not all the bells and
whistles like heated seats, mirrors, power everything is not necessary... Style can be everything if you got the basics right, which must not be wedge shape, even better is a low tail,
Very Important "The TOP must disappear or at least be low enough not to be seen" |
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| Jan 21 2001 02:48 | scot abbott | United States | instrumentation developer and |
Perhaps the most important thing about a '21st century E type' (the F type) is that it capture the magic combination of sensual (sexy) look and very very good performance in an inexpensive package. With the progress of technology and improvement of materials choices, it should be straightforward to meet the market niche (less than $35K, sporty but useful, great looks and performance) aimed at younger men and some middle aged ones. I think the unique car offering is the combination of the looks and performance.
A curvaceous roadster-but not a 90's aerodynamic blob-with strong acceleration from 10-90 mph, a 150 or so 'top speed', a weight of less than 2000#, air conditioning standard, fairly even weight distribution, relatively spartan but well appointed looks are all part of the product characteristic. The look of the xk8 is pretty good, but the boxy look from the rear quarter view is unappealing. The E type boat tail is much more attractive, and a vehicle of new design could look better than either one.
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| Jan 21 2001 02:24 | Roland Inman | United States | Finance Manager |
Please add a manual gearbox. The engine noise should be barely noticeable, but some rumble with the exhaust.
I would give it in car map navigation. I would not bother with a fixed hardtop. I would give it enough leg room for someone about 195cm tall and a drivers seat that goes forward enough to allow a petite lady to drive.
At the back of the glove compartment should be a serial port or a USB port to hook up a lap top to see what the engine management system is doing when driving. As an XJS owner that would make a huge difference, even though the system on my '92 isn't stoneage.
Single fuel tank. Grease lubricated suspension - it lasts much longer. Disks all round and out board on the IRS. Silicone brake fluid with an emergency bottle in the boot - special compartment. Platinum spark plugs. Standard V-8 optional supercharger. Run flat self sealing tires, with alarm - carry no spare, too much room taken in boot.
That's all for now.
Roland
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| Jan 20 2001 15:33 | stephan | Germany | sales-director |
| as i seen the new F-Type i must going to my dealer in duesseldorf and i have ordered 2 of this |
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| Jan 20 2001 14:03 | gerald johnson | United States | contractor |
| I have examples of xk120 xk140 mk2 67etype 68etype 88xjs. Iplan to buy the ftype if it has better sporting abilities than porshe bmw mb etc. It looks good. |
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| Jan 20 2001 11:35 | Jack Verschuur | South Africa | self employed |
| I want one....just the way it looks now. |
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| Jan 20 2001 09:24 | Fred Jacobs | Netherlands | Architect |
Fantastic model on all side views. The only part I don't understand is the oval form for the numberplate on the backside. I hope Jaguar will not follow the Audiline, which has no front or backside. The biggest mistake of the century.
Warm regards
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| Jan 20 2001 02:58 | Ted Dakin | Canada | General Manager |
Hi and thanks,
I believe that in order to make this one of the best Jaguars ever it needs to have power both off the line and tremendous acceleration once you are over the 100 KM/hr mark. This in my eyes is the making of the perfect Jaguar. |
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| Jan 19 2001 22:34 | Mike Norton | United States | |
Please! Please! Remember the roots. The thing the "S" type is lacking is that it doesn't have enough "S". Please give this one more "E".
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| Jan 19 2001 17:29 | Tom King | United States | Information Technology |
Of the two designs presented (the concept and press announcement) I feel that the concept is much closer to delivering a design which is potentially a successor to the E-Type. The horizontal elements in the press announcement (in the front incorporating the fog lights(?) and the horizontal tail lights) are not at all “classic” and will look dated in just a few years. The concept, with its smooth sweeping lines from windshield to trunk, round tailights etc., is much more appealing than the press announcement design. I will leap at the chance to buy the concept, but will cringe if the other design is selected.
I would like to see this car offered with as few gadgets as possible, instead concentrate on producing a unique car (vs. the ABS/GPS/PW/heated headrest delivery systems that some cars are turning into) with state of the art performance (supercharged V8, manual transmission) and handling (equal to the E-type and XJ-S). Make it a simple, powerful, ”drivers” car, but make it unique.
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| Jan 19 2001 16:11 | Luke Staley | United States | Dentist |
I eagerly await details on the F-type and will wait on my sports car purchase to their out. I'm currently looking into a sedan, maybe S-type, to carry the kids. I am looking at an F-type as a fun weekend car that could be driven to work on nice days. An alternative to investing into another higher maintenance vintage E-type. I would prioritize the car in the following: quality, performance, style, cost, usefulness (practicality), and then gadgets last. I would like to emphasize that performance and quality of product is much higher on my list than options on a roadster. PLEASE do not price this car out of its segment with frivolous "add-ons". Keep this an authentic english sports car. No I'm not saying vintage or retro, I know that will sale only to a niche market. I am saying more bare bones to a Boxter or Ferrari (options not cost), not a techno package like many Jap. built sport sedans. I only too glad to hear Jag returning a little to its roots and though never to lower its quality or name, offering an affordable club type car.
Thank you for your time
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| Jan 19 2001 16:04 | Barrie Dawson | United Kingdom | IT Project Manager |
| "a true 21st century successor to the E-type, the icon of the 60s”. An excellent statement but hopefully a product of everything learned from the E type. Looks alone are not enough these days, the model must perform as the client would expect especially as todays client is far more demanding than in the 60s. I say looks alone are not enough but most "long in the tooth" Jaguar people would do their utmost to be the proud owner of an E type, I know I would. I look forward to seeing Jaguars 21st Century sports success on the open road. |
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| Jan 19 2001 15:30 | Troy Amason | United States | Fire fighter |
| Love the idea and initial looks. Please give it the power and handling to be a real competitor in the sports car world. No typical over enginered under powered model. Finally please consider keeping the price reasonable. It would be nice if more than two people could afford this car. I would love to see them somewhat regularly on the road. |
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| Jan 19 2001 09:07 | Peter Jungbeker | Netherlands | |
First of all, it's a great idea to have this forum.
I hope Jaguar keeps a close watch on the opinions ventilated here.
I my mind the F type's appearance should keep as close to the 2000 concept car as international (safety) regulations allow.
The entry-level engine should be a big engine (V8, or perhaps a 6 cylinder with compressor) and a manual or F1-style gearshift, so that even the lowest-spec car will have true Jaguar sportscar performance (no BMW Z1 mistakes of using a 1.8 four cylinder automatic...).
On top of that, as little electronics as possible must be used (i.e. none of that ABS/ATS/KFJSDN/what-have-you computerised nonsense). Helps keeping the pricetag low too.
All-in-all, I'd like the F type to be a no-frills, bare-bones sportscar.
Best regards, Peter Jungbeker ('61 E type) |
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| Jan 19 2001 07:32 | Colin Starke | Australia | Delivery driver |
| I thought the XK8 was the replacement of the the E-type. Although I like the F-type it shows very much that it came from the same stable as the XK8 to be a new model from the windscreen forward its just a XK8. with saying I'm not saying I dont like it I do very much its just not different enough to be a new model |
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| Jan 19 2001 06:40 | Gordon Craig | New Zealand | Student |
From what I have seen so far the styling is absolutly fantastic and should only be alterted to accomodate a mid mounted engine!
If the F-type is to be a true, WORTHY, successor to the untouchable E-type then this is the only way to go. (I have heard a rumour that it will have a mid engine so fingers crossed!).
Jaguar should also cash in on their formula one involvement buy using a high revving V-10 with a F1 style gear change, and not a panzer take off like Porsche tiptonic or the steptronic rubbish found in all sorts of cars, go the way of Ferrari and Alfa Romeo with a real F1 gear change (with paddles to, not buttons). |
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| Jan 19 2001 05:14 | Grant Jarick | Australia | Retiered |
| The concept car looked great, the redesign not so good inparticular the rear end.Please don`t go to far out with the styling keep it simple like our older jags. |
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| Jan 19 2001 04:30 | robb rogers | United States | teacher |
CONCEPT: GOTTA HAVE IT (a hardtop)
2001 REDESIGN: WOULDN'T HAVE IT!
Dull. Ordinary. Uninspired.Uninspiring.
Why is it that concept cars get so lost in redesign?
(See Chrysler for how to do it right.)
I'm ready to exchange my cherished 1988 944 Porsche Turbo S for a concept-styled HARDTOP, ...with sufficient power-to-weight. I love my current 320hp at the rear wheels! I take for granted Jag suspension, akin to E-type (even XJ6!)
But if the concept "feel" isn't recaptured, forget it.
2001 body shape lost the character of concept panache.
2001 headlights look silly. Tail lights horrible.
2001 windscreen rake is superb --it's the ONLY plus.
CONCEPT tail lights and rear are wonderfully simple and elegant.
CONCEPT dash is superb, even sans wood.
CONCEPT large wheels are nice. |
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| Jan 19 2001 03:32 | Joe Bialy | United States | Engineer |
Please stick to your mission statement. You will not succeed without a clear, constant vision of where you want this car to be. Too many projects falter because of frequent redefinitions of purpose. This is especially true of your parent company where they are afraid to make a statement and stick to it. They excell at building 'everyman's cars' (like the Focus) that can adapt to whatever market appears to be the more profitable at the time.
Make it a Jaguar, not a Ford!
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| Jan 19 2001 02:40 | Tom Pope | United States | Finance Manager |
First, Thank you for the opportunity to provide this input.
My thoughts on the F-Type are fairly simple: the vehicle should embody the characteristics that made its E-Type predecessor so appealing when it was new, as well as when we drive our E-Types today. Those characteristics, in my opinion, are:
1. Outstanding performance at a surprisingly good value. Keep in mind, the original "E" would break 140mph and sold for under $6k U.S. (in '61 dollars). Not a bad value at all.
2. Streamlined, smooth, great looks. Is there any debate about the "E" being the sexiest car ever manufactured? Hopefully the "F" can repeat the performance.
3. Rigid road stability and safety.
4. Appointments that are civilized, without being pretentious or over-bearing.
5. Heritage. The "E" had the racing heritage of the C and D Types before it (the monocoque design, the long bonnet, the XK engine, ...). Preserve that in the styling, feel, and appointments (classic wood rimmed steeringwheel, complete guages, etc). When done right, you can "feel" this when you drive. I feel it in the "E."
That's a tall order - but they did it for 1961 - why not now. Good luck.
Tom Pope 1966 E-Type
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| Jan 19 2001 01:40 | tom graham | United States | |
This is to be the new "E" type??? I thought the XK8 was the new E type???? Has the XK8 been recieved so poorly that Jag wants to have another go at it??? And BTW, the styling of the XK8 is BORING.
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| Jan 18 2001 23:13 | Jeff Snook | United States | Retired |
I love the F-Type. Great looking car. Wonderful styling!
The only negative I see is the outside rearview mirrors. I didn't like them mounted high on the side of the windshield when I saw it at Detroit auto show last year. Subsequent photos I've seen still show them in that place. The positioning detracts from the great fender and windshield lines.
Thanks for asking and listening,
Jeff Snook
1953 XK120 FHC
2000 S-Type
1997 XK8 FHC (this spring) |
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| Jan 18 2001 20:59 | Sherman D. Taffel | United States | |
Congratulations on your decision to make the 'F-Type'. Many of us Jaguar aficianados hope (and pray) you will 'do it right': reflect, preserve and advance the Jaguar E-Type legacy.
Let me share we own four Heritage Jaguars: An E-Type V-12FHC; an '89 XJS Covertible, and a '96 XJR. I also have restored my college TR-4 and am working on a Jensen GT - which is exotic with its Jaguar legacy DOHC Lotus 907 engine and 5 speed. In the comfort department- its cozy suportive seats are among the best. The wood dash, ala Jaguar, makes a warm and elegant cockpit. The F should be all this car was and everything it could have been - in terms of real performance. My wife has a wonderful XJ12C we are restoring, and which the new 'S' Type seems most 'in tune with', except for some cheap interior components.
Your F-type concept drawings are very much in tune with the Jaguar sports/racing legacy, yet do advance the Marque. I hope you stick with the concepts rather than the prototype.
However, I would hope you would revisit the tailights to integrate the elegant original E-Type taillights, understandably 'modernized' and smoothed into the rear fender-with some 'tasteful chrome accent'. Have you considered the Jaguar growler embossed in the round part of an 'evolved' E-type heritage unit ; the original reflector, as the Brake light, and the 'blade' could be the tail lights.
DO NOT ---DO NOT imitate XJ saloon or 'S' tail lights!
Up front for the 'running light'- a growler subtle projection for 'parking lights' and modern Xenon lamps in an overall futuristic modernized E-Type Headlight pod- much as in the concept drawings, and as an evolution over the XK8, would be elegant.
The side sculpture should be more evocative, not Pontiac Firebird like, not exactly fuselage symetric as the E-type, but subtly more curvaceous than appears in the concept.
The interior should reflect the heritage of the E-Type as well- for example with full gauges, with a modernized version of the fuse box access. Modern warning lights should of course be incorporated. A Wood accent ala Aston-Martin DB7 would be a quality touch with not too much expense'
Seats should be comfortable as well as supportive-in the Jaguar tradition of elegance and style.
The car must be a 'class price buster' $30K base-without hard plastic - or anything looking or feeling 'cheap'. This can be done easily with 'soft materials'- even my Pontiac Fiero 2M6 has soft leather grained 'soft plastic' on the console and armrests that 'fit like a glovbe when I'm holding the Leather wheel. The steering wheel should be wood and leather- as in the XJ and S types.
Eventually three versions should be offered: A 6cyl with 265 HP, a V-8 with @ 320 HO, and the Supercharged 'R version with 400HP. There should only be 'badging changes' between the models-.
You want a 'new classic' - a vehicle people will buy with the intent of respecting, caring for, and 'keeping' in the Jaguar collection.
The major production car should be a capable and safe driver. Those wheels a beautiful, but much too large for the car. 15" or 16" wheels with 65 size sidewalls will give a good balance between road grabbing and ride. You do not want your major production car to have hydroplaning and wet weather instability due to 'too much strictly performance' additives.
In all cases you want the 'F-Type' to outperform and out-comfort and out-style the 'appropriate model competition' by being true to Jaguar heritage, not current 'fads'.
We love our family /luxury heritage cars (Jensen Interceptor Convertible, XJ12C restoration, and XJS)especially on long trips (over 250 miles), but enjoy driving the smaller cars 'everyday'.
Therefore, I would buy a new F-Type if it meets the criteria I articulated. remember that for the young perosn buying their first new 'real sports/GT car' - that car becomes 'the benchmark,(as my '65 E-Type 4.2 was for me). You want a car that will capture the soul of the driver and create a bond to Jaguar products that will, over one's lifetime, inspire a desire, a craving for elegant Jaguars.
DO NOT SKIMP! Do not disappoint those of us in the Jaguar world that have waited for 35 years for the 'Sports/GT Jaguar that looks like a Jaguar should'- performs,and pampers as well! |
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| Jan 18 2001 20:46 | Ron May | United States | Airline pilot |
Design: Leave it to the designer, let's not creat another camel. Committees are notorious for mediocrity.
Mechanics: PLEASE do not use a v-6. A modern dohc straight six would be my idea. |
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| Jan 18 2001 19:19 | Greg Cox | United States | |
Take a Series 1 XKE and update that design. Covered headlamps, analog gauges, 5 speed, independent suspension, rack & pinion steering, more trunk space without removing the "swoosh" from the tail, dual exhaust, seats that contour to the body like recarros, electric adjustable mirrors,that world war 2 fighter plane hood and an easily raised and lowered rag top similar to the Porshe boxster design.
As for performance, it must be better than the Boxster, under 6 second to 60 times, 1 g cornering capability, cruses at 2000 rpm's at 60 in 5th. Top speed capability of 140.
Finally and most importantly, it must comfortably fit a person over 6 feet tall. I own a 70 XKE and that is the biggest disappointment with that car.
I commend you on the mock up design, it looks good. But you may need to ad more length to get close to the original balance of height and length that established the low slung beauty previously created by Jaguar.
GOOD LUCK, your hardcore following are watching. |
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| Jan 18 2001 18:29 | George Brown | United Kingdom | IT Project Manager |
| The car must be (LPG) dual-fuel |
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| Jan 18 2001 18:27 | Todd R. Hartzell | United States | Project Manager |
I own an XK150 since 1983
1. More like a 427 Cobra, I hate wedge shape... I want to sit low and hang my arm out over the door... |
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| Jan 18 2001 18:19 | Dick Latham | United States | Minister - Church of God |
I like the look of the F-Type very much. It is a winner! I suggest that the price and low cost maintenance are very important to its success.. A simple engine with good performance is also important.
Dick Latham |
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| Jan 18 2001 18:01 | Mohammed Shakur | United States | Consultant |
| I just got a Porsche Boxster S and I'm looking forward to getting the F-type when my lease is over. I hope it comes with a 6-speel manual with at least rear wheel driven 300 hp!!! I love the design so far. I also want Jaguar to incorporate new technologies like xenon headlamps!!! |
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| Jan 18 2001 16:53 | Winston Huff | United States | Engineer |
Jaguar has made a very wise move to ask us about how to design the F-type. Thank you, we are honored.
I was surprised when my Toyota friends came to me when they saw the F-type in the paper or on TV last year. These are people that do not follow car developments however, they were impressed with this car.
They always commented on how it looked like an XK-E. Everyone has stories of friends and family that owned one and regretted selling it. The liked the cluster lights, in the 60's everyone talked about those headlights of the XK-E. The curves, low stance, small rear (every one hates the Corvette rear) and wide tires were positive comments as well.
Everyone is surprised when I tell them how reliable Jags are now, then when I tell them the price range of the F-Type they start thinking hey, that's in my reach. Should I buy that big ugly overpriced four-wheel drive truck or SUV or a F-type. Remember the E-type was half the price of a Benz and faster.
I am also surprised when I show people the new S-Type. They ALWAYS say no that is a Ford or a Toyota. I have to drive up and show them the Jaguar badge. Then they tell me how sad it is that Ford took over Jaguar.
Keep some of the elements in my series III xj-6. Because of the styling everyone thinks it is a new car. I always receive positive comments when they sit low in the car; they have to touch the wood and leather. Keep some quirky traditions. I am always talking about the two gas tanks and the inboard brakes. (Do not put these on the F-type). Keep the price low. Jaguar owners love getting all the ooos and ahhhs from everyone when you drive Jag that cost not much more than their car.
In conclusion: The F-type is not a T-bird, Miata or BMW they copy Jaguar not the other way around. Keep it inexpensive, cheap to maintain and easy to make into a club racecar. Save the exotic engines for the XK-8. Have a wood and leather option in the interior and do not have a PT-Cruiser interior. Have unique seats and instruments to the F-Type DO NOT put Ford seats in it. A front engine that will last for 200k, 5 speed and rear wheel drive. Four-wheel option is good. Keep the quirky headlights, roll bars, D-Type humps on the trunk lid, small rear end (CAR BUYERS DO NOT CARE ABOUT HAVING ENOUGH ROOM FOR TWO GOLF BAGS), lots of curves, stay away from the chunky Chrysler look, low ride, low seating use some of the old Jaguar badges.
Thanks for asking.
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| Jan 18 2001 16:07 | Saul Chaplin | United States | |
Well I have just looked at the press pack photos for the first time - what can I say, it looks awful in my opinion. Front end looks like cross between an XK8 & a Toyota Celica, and the rear looks to me like that BMW Z1.
The design of the original concept car is far superior - and just love that rounded rear end design that echoes the front end. Please don't make it look like an XK8! I think Jaguar got it just about right, first time round.
No need for wood etc in the interior - keep it simple and functional, and as others have said..light weight.
Would'nt want that Ford V6 in there either - make it a supercharged straight six, or V8, 5 OR 6 speed manual gearbox, LSD, and possibly AWD. No power steering, cruise control, CATS suspension or cup holders req'd thanks! 60mph should be obtainable in less than 5 seconds, and the mid/upper range performance should match.
Looking forward to the end result, and will certainly buy one if it has that Jaguar magic (although I'm a little doubtful at the moment).
S.Chaplin
E-Type, 340Mk2, 420 ex-UK
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| Jan 18 2001 15:08 | Alberto Taborcías | Argentina | market./com. consultant |
I know Design Concepts Evolution, Design Tendency and Scale Economy exist.
I am sure Jaguar Cars have up front researched the market and you know a lot about customers expectatios on sports cars and every other market segments.
Business are not romantic movies.
But…
We all, lovers of The Marque, and each one of us, love hundreds of different details from each model and around the different models.
But, you bet all of us coincide at one point, it is a common denominator, Jaguar is synonym of distinctness in design and car personality, we love this and this is a strong way to build cars cut out for Classics.
Product differentiation is a must for cars and other products success in the marketplace and the fact is, Jaguar has been a very successful brand image and among the components of that image, distinctness and personality, are heavy ones.
Other makes (Porsche, Ferrari) have had the luck of continuity.
Jaguar still have to "restore" that image in the now a day world.
May be, it is a matter of not building cars just like those of 40/50 years ago, adding low profile and wide wheels to them, a kind of targetting at "nostalgia" (narrow segment), but to build modern cars, different to all others in the offer; and beautiful (broader segment).
By the way, WHAT ABOUT LOW PRICING VERSIONS? Remember W. Lyons strategy.
F type can be another opportunity. Give her as much distinctness and singular personality as you can.
Some day, as time passes by, they will be, one more time, Classic Cars.
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| Jan 18 2001 14:55 | Samuel Simoes | United States | |
Sir. Lyons would want a car that would be beautiful, yet everything about it should be a Jaguar. Jaguars are known for their comfort, awesome driving, great engines, woodwork, glove-like leather and gorgeous design. Anything less would be a Ford. In light of these parameters the F-Type should be a feline to everyone’s eyes, and a Jaguar to their owners.
The design is near-perfect, the concept is fabulous, and owning one should be like a dream. HOWEVER, the F-Type has some characteristics of the upcoming Ford Thunderbird; that is unfortunate. My first change would be on the back lights; They shouldn’t be round, or even straight, but shaped like the back of the XJR or XKR, something resembling to a Jaguar. Secondly the interior should have the perfect combination of wood and leather It should have the feel and surroundings of a luxury sports car.
Other than that, the drawings and concept car are superb, I can’t wait to get my hands on one.
Keep us posted
Sam Simoes
Kansas City, MO
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| Jan 18 2001 14:52 | Richard Kuschel | United States | Recording studio owner |
This car should be stripped of all creature comforts with the possible exception of a good A/C unit.
Manual window lifts, and door locks will do just fine.
Instruments and dash should be built with analog gauges which are wired in rather than the tendency to build with integrated circuits and printed circuit boards.
Manual transmission (5 speed minimum) is a must and please build with enough space in the footwell for comfort. (Unlike a certain model in LHD called the "E")
Positraction rear end, front engine, rear drive.
Though it will detract sligltly from the lines, give the windshield a more upright stance, It is a lot easier to clean and see through than the heavily raked one shown on the concept car.
What I want here is another world beater as the E-Type was when it came out, not just another Miata on steroids (BMW).
Richard Kuschel
'68 OTS (Converted to Series I) I hated the federalized dash and detuned engine. |
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| Jan 18 2001 14:35 | Chris Knowles | United Kingdom | Company Director |
Car should have distinct front and back - unlike the Boxster and press pack pics of Ftype. Don't let it break away from Jaguar house design, like most Ford's have. (What does a Ford look like?). Jaguars have haunches, sensous, female hips- look at 1980's XJ6/12 Series 1/2/3 & Etype. The latest S type has lost it. Must be low, with low seating position. (Not a car for obese drivers!). Circular lights v.good. Must NOT look like Porsche. Jags have engineering-led, dependable mechanicals, so: must have best suspension in class. Long wishbone, constant camber with horizontal spring/dampers? Active suspension ideally. Really stiff monocoque - maybe built in rollbar for one series racing. Run flat tyres. Paddle shift g/box/clutch. Even torque spread (Jags always have low end grunt). Should be easily upgradeable for club racing, even Le Mans.So big underbonnet. Front engine gives more flexibility. Ideally lightweight straight 6 for smoothness, or V8. (V6 uncouth). Power to weight must be on a par with Elise. Four wheel drive (if Subaru can do it...). Under £30k for base model.
Chris Knowles
'84 XJ6, '89 XJ12, '89 XJRS |
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| Jan 18 2001 13:58 | Dave Schinbeckler | Canada | computer specialist |
Make it more Elise than SLK. No traction control, no automatic/manual nonsense, no electric seats, no electronic suspension controls. Curb weight should be no more than a ton. Period.
Dave Schinbeckler
'61 E-type flat-floor roadster
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| Jan 18 2001 12:58 | Jez | United Kingdom | IT Director |
Looks good from front and side, rear end needs the circular lights - the horizontal slits look far too Porsche like. This needs to be definatively Jaguar, not another TT/Porsche/SLK or even TVR clone.
I would suggest two models - a sports with manual transmission ( F1 style change? ), aluminium interior and overall lightweight and a GT with J-gate auto and traditional Jag Wood & Leather.
I guess the 3L V6 will be the main powerplant, though I think there will be demand for the V8 - if only because it's a V8 and should sound like one.
As a general comment on Jag dashboards, one of the best was the '90 - '95 XJ40/X300, with a full set of dials including real oil pressure. Later X300's were a retrogade step in this respect. |
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| Jan 18 2001 12:19 | Charles E. McClung | United States | Charter Fishing |
| I started saving when the XK-180 was first shown. It is perfect, except it needed the V-12. I was not so in love with the F-type concept model, but still was saving. But, if the final production vehical looks like the current drawings, I'll just up grade my XJS and keep it. I've owned a jag since '72, and plan to keep on owning one, but the latest drawings don't speek Jaguar to me. My first was a Mark VII, them a 3.4 sedan which I bought when I sold a 356B. I kept it for a number of years, and sold it when I got an XKE. The E-Type was my only car and daily driver for 15 years. I've got the XJS now, because I can use it daily, however, a sports car it ain't. You can sell me an XK-180 any day, but I don't want what y'all have on the drawing boards. |
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| Jan 18 2001 10:57 | Adam J. Owens | United States | Sr Software Design Engineer |
| A great car and I anxiously await the release, although please reconsider keeping the Concept Car's taillamps - the new ones are not as appealing and lose much of the character in my opinion. A manual transmission is a must - a sportscar with an automatic, even a *great* automatic, is for poseurs. Other than that, I'm saving my money now! |
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| Jan 18 2001 10:56 | Douglas Grace | United States | IT professional |
| The Jaguar has always presented a unique design and presentation. To depart from this approach is a mistake in styling from which no future recovery is possible. The absence of wood in the interior of this vehicle presents a departure of original design and style for which the Jaguar Automobile has always been unique. Please continue to provide an automobile which is unique in design and superior in craftmanship coupled with handling beyond the norm. In short an auto in which I not only will be recognized but unsurpassed in style. |
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| Jan 18 2001 09:38 | Per Arne Braaten | Norway | Engineer |
I have a 1969 Series II open two seater and absolutely love its looks inside and out. The F-type looks beautiful from the front and rear, but viewed from the side, sorry to say so, but it is not good enough it need more curves.
The Jaguar lover, needs the timeless design, something beautiful - and the power to back up the looks. I am sure Jaguar knows how to make it desirable, when it comes to Engine power, handling, roadability, running characteristics, so the looks is actually what they need to get right.
Make more curves seen from the side, and I will purchase one. (If it is cheep enough, ;-))
The best from Norway
Per Arne |
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| Jan 18 2001 09:31 | Peter Havas | France | Writer |
It looks nice the way it is, Going to be tough to shape it anyway other than the way the wind wants it anyway.
I like the Frenched tail-lights.
The design philosphy is already perverted,in that they are creating a passenger car which can possibly be converted for racing - much the same thinking that went into the XJ-S. To be a worthy successor to the "E", the "F" should walk a fine line between the daily car you can snap the roof and take racing, and the racing car you take to visit your grandmother.
In any event,I think it will come off the line costing far too much to be a real "successor". There is already no room between the cost of an XK8,XKR and a nicely restored "E".It looks like they are aiming squarely at the Mercedes SLK 200-230 market, which in Europe has become the "Ladies" car.
It would be nice, though,if it were offered in a "Clubman" type version - stripped of all the creature comforts for those who just want to throw it around a track without setting up a foundation ot finance a racing team.
Would be nice if it came:
In a 5 or 6 speed.
No auto.
Removable HT
Pressed steel wheels (center hubs)
Optional vinyl seats
Turned dash.
Fuel cell
Tilt up front end
As a Six (4.0 liter)
Cheers,
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| Jan 18 2001 09:30 | Jochen Glöckner | Germany | Research Assistent |
If Jaguar wants to be a class of its own, as it used to be, they have to refrain from the urge to make just another Boxster, TT, SLK or Z car. But that's what all the concepts look like. So take some really serious commitments into your books! Reinvent the roadster! Don't make another gimmick-frought, lolly pop-shaped open two seater:
Think about the weight first: The E-Type came originally with a little more than 1100 kg although it had the mighty XK-engine in its bay. So the F-Type should remain under 1100 kg which gives it a performance advantage of 200 kg to its competitors.
As to the shape: A roadster isn't a full size sedan. So don't try to create such an appearance, not even w/regard to bumber height. See what it has done to the SLK - looks from behind like a shrunk E-class. Apart from that, just keep the character: flowing lines, stretched appearance (please no more nineties-Cobra), clear front engine body design. Just try to do to the E-Type what VW did to the Beetle or Porsche did to the 911.
As to character: With the usual seat belt/SRS combo the shape of the dashboard isn't much of a safety issue any more. So remember, what the term "dashboard" is derived from: A board! Look at the Jaguar XJ S I (1969) to find a good example. Please, no more Ford switches on plastic-lookalike veneer on bubble-shaped consoles. Be honest, be straight - and let the dashboard be flat and of 1/2"-wood!
Jochen
Porsche 911
Triumph Spitfire |
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| Jan 18 2001 08:32 | William J. Earl | United States | Software Engineer |
I prefer the tail lights on the concept car, compared to those on the car in the 2001 press pack.
I like the spare interior. It is an elegant design statement, not just
another generic car.
I will almost certainly buy one, provided it has a manual transmission
and provided it reasonably resembles the show car.
I would not buy one with an automatic. I presently drive a 1984
XJ6 with a Jaguar 5-speed manual transmission; my wife drives
a 1990 XJ-S convertible. While we both like the XJ-S in some
respects, I would much prefer it with a manual transmission.
I have driven the recent sedans, and they are not bad, but the interiors
are less appealing than either my XJ6 or my wife's XJ-S. The
XJ8 and XK8 interiors are too much like a generic Japanese interior.
The show car interior is not like anything else, except perhaps an
early E-type.
I would certainly expect air conditioning and cruise control.
If the car must have ABS and traction control, then they should
be switchable. The ABS on my wife's XJ-S has almost crashed
it twice in low-speed stops. (I realise that newer ABS systems
often have low-speed disables, but I would rather trust my abilities
than ABS and traction control.)
The comments from others about Ford parts are misplaced. Jaguars have always used parts from other sources. Good components are just
components; the art is in what you build out of them.
Someone else mentioned having an optional hardtop for the
convertible. This is a good idea. Even in Northern California, we
have 6 months of rain on and off.
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| Jan 18 2001 07:44 | Paul Reeves | Germany | Software contractor |
I forgot:
NO Ford bits, this is a jaguar not a fiesta.
Practical sized boot.
Pure two seater.
Switchable ABS and Traction control.
No wood (maybe as an option only).
Supercharged V8 engine.
0-60mph of less than 5 seconds - preferably 4!
Paul
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| Jan 18 2001 07:37 | Hakon Bjerkan | Norway | |
My humble opinion:
- Make an innovative car for the future. This includes aluminium/lightweight chassis and bodywork (under 1 ton), which in turn only requires a small and environmentally friendly engine (maybe later consider a killer R-version). Look at Lotus.
- Most people seem to worry about the interior and the looks of the car, but I have no doubt that Jaguar will get that right.
The world is crowded with heavy, big-engined "supercars" - make something new!
Kind regards,
HMB |
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| Jan 18 2001 07:36 | Paul Reeves | Germany | Software Contractor |
I must say that as an XK8 owner (30 years of age), i am dissapointed with the new drawings of the F-Type.
In particular, when looked side on it looks like a giant slab, the rear lights are plain awful and very american like. In my opinion the rear end of the concept was near perfect, however the front styling looks to be better than the concept. Generally, the concept car is much more the essense of Jaguar and appeals to me a lot more, as it has done to people throughout the world. If it looks similar to this then i shall be on the order list - assuming that the specs are good of course.
Now for some wishes .... please, please, please do not provide an automatic slushbox as standard. Manual, manual, manual for all us real driver types, also brakes that give better feedback to the driver (than the XK8), less loose steering, less spongy accelerator, lower driving position and plenty of romm for 6ft+ people (i am 6ft 4in).
Paul
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| Jan 18 2001 07:24 | Karsten Eller | Germany | Chemist |
Great! The drawings look ugly but the photos are stunning.
Karsten Eller |
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| Jan 18 2001 06:30 | Ned Wesley | United States | |
I am not sure that I should be commenting on this car. I am six feet and one inch in height and I have a small problem getting down to get into our two XJ-S. My wife is five feet five inches in height and she used the XJ-S front seat back rest to position her body into the passenger side. This car is too low for the two of us and there are no surfaces positioned for holding on to, easing the getting into and out of this car. I also drive the Los Angeles freeway system. Here other drivers claim a small portion of the roadway and will not surrender it. It is necessary to move around them to gain access to clear roadway. The height of this car makes it hard for other drivers moving into same space to see you. Getting a clear view of our many road signs would be impossible when behind one or more of the small trucks, SUV or 18 wheelers in traffic. I am not sure that I would want to have an 18-wheeler following me.
Perhaps the most important item here is that the car does not appeal to me. It is also possible that the selling price and the luxury tax required by this country would move the car out of my price range, $25 to $35K dollars.
A reference point for me is: I have owned five Lincoln LSC MK- VII and zero MK-VIII. The MK-VII was a good seller. The MK-VIII, I don't know there are too few to count.
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| Jan 18 2001 05:21 | Mark Cady | United States | Engineer |
Jag Gals and Guys,
The vehicle spec tag in the door jamb should read:
"Jaguar Cars"
"Browns Lane"
Mark J. Cady Jr |
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| Jan 18 2001 05:13 | Mark Cady | United States | Engineer |
Jag F-Type Gals and Guys;
First let me thank you on behalf of all the posters on jag-lovers.org for this opportunity to contribute in the specifications of the F-Type.
Here's my take.
Position the starting price car to go against sports cars in the mid-range pricing structure. Allow for heavy optioning by the customer.
Keep the car as lightweight as possible while making the first bending and torsional of the vehicle at high limits for a good stiff structure. Place vehicle cg low and pack as much of the vehicle weight within the wheelbase as this will minimise pitch, yaw and rotation during turning manuevers. Naturally a svelte size is needed.
Hydraulic cooling fan, brake boosting and powersteering. Switchable ABS, Stability and Shock control systems that can be overridden independently of each other. Traction control with drive by wire throttle; again switchable.
Legroom, Legroom, Legroom. Those of us outside of the 95th percentile will thank you.
Roadster only please. With a real trunk. Softtop standard and make a hardtop available that can be mounted by one person. Rear window and side mirror defrosters for the northern climes as well as air conditioning. How about introducing the CO2 system on this car... high profile!!
The engine is the heart and soul of a Jag. It must not only move the driver physically, but emotionally! It should sound, GLORIOUS!!! As for engine choice an inline 6 of at least 300HP and a V-12 of at least 400HP. The trans should be a six speed. Period. Say with a console mounted option for sequential clutch free shifting.
Oh alright, and a 5 speed automatic.
The styling should be a thorough update of the E-type keeping the body free from j-brows and too many body trim parts. The areas of accent to tie into the E-type should focus on grille aperture, headlights (study the lightweight competition version) tailights (perhaps LEDs?), hood power bulge and last but not least the fenders need to evoke and emote.
The interior should have options for equipping it as either high tech and or gentlemans club. All controls and gauges need to be intuitive in thier use and placement. Details such as a large tach front and center of the driver, and a starter button placed on the dash should be considered
Remember to please keep in mind that flexible manufacturing will allow you to customize the vehicle for each drivers need and will thus keep this new model desireable longer as the possibility of a driver being mirrored by another is considerably reduced.
Please, this car needs to be powerfully feline in appearance. It has a heritage that far exceeds that of almost any car on the road today. Assign the styling and driving dynamics to a small team. Most cars of note are usually the work of one person or a small team.
Thank You,
Mark J. Cady Jr
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| Jan 18 2001 05:04 | james heath jackson | United States | engineering |
| I LOVE THE CURRENT PROPOSED DESIGNS AND WILL DEFINETLY BUY ONE!....I'M APPREHENSIVE OVER HOW THE TOP WILL BE TREATED....SO THAT THE SAME FABULOUS STREAMLINED LOOKS ARE CARRIED THROUGH....IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS CAR AND HAVE DECLINED PURCHASING A XK8 BECAUSE ITS TOO MUCH A CUSHY CHICK CAR! WE NEED THAT HARD, BAD TO THE BONE D TYPE GRANDBABY..............GOOD LUCK! JAMES |
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| Jan 18 2001 04:51 | Tom Henderson | United States | |
The F-Type is a great concept. The original design had the flowing lines that made it recognizable as a Jaguar. Obviously the tail light treatment would have to change to meet side marker light requirements in the US. The interior is much too stark and sterile. It can certainly be made much warmer and inviting without loosing the styling that states unequivocally that this is a no-nonsense, high performance sports car.
Much was lost in the translation to the latest style shown in the press pack. It not only lacks styling clues that mark it as a Jaguar, it is simply unappealing. I believe it should be made better looking than the Boxster and the Z3; not wierder.
It must be competitively priced but must outperform the competition. If it can have a choice of 6 speed or ZF automatic that will be great. If it must have only one please make it the 6 speed. It should provide the support that allows you to drive it hard with confidence and the comfort that allows you to drive it long. The amenities of a Vanden Plas would be out of place, but it need not be spartan.
Jaguars have always appealed to the senses. The F-Type can do so as well. It can exhibit subtle yet unmistakable links to the great Jaguar heritage without loosing its ability to be a step into the future. And it doesn't have to look like it was designed by Nissan. |
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| Jan 18 2001 04:47 | Gary Westbury | United Kingdom | Engineer |
I drive a 1966 MK2 & love the older cars in term of their period charm, but that is just what it is, a period. We've moved on now & Jaguar needs to attract the modern buyer, so this call for wood in the cockpit in nonsense, hey the E-type never had any wood!.
My comments are :-
No wood
Big Wheels
Supercharged V8
No Ford bits
Lose the Boxster rear end and go back to the XK180
Keep bonnet bulge, but loose the fancy lights, it need a "face" that only contentional lights can give
Twin Exhausts
XK180 interior with all its brushed Aluminium
Round Instrument Dials
Curve the sides as per XK180
Lose the Roll Over hoops
<£30,000 entry level
And lastly to be a true Jaguar : BUILD IT IN ENGLAND.
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| Jan 18 2001 04:03 | John Scacca | United States | |
Please keep to the original concept design with the cats eye rear tail lights. This is the design that generated the buzz, not the newer Boxster looking press-pack drawings. Offer both a manual and automatic transmission. Don't strip it down too much as some are asking. A few comforts would be nice; especially air conditioning for us southern climate dwellers. The top goes down at night....
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| Jan 18 2001 03:26 | Ginger Corda | United States | Computer Instructor |
I own a 1971 Series III 2+2 (V12 4-speed standard) and absolutely love the styling of the E-Type, inside and out. The F-type looks exciting and interesting, but I think it needs more curves, like the bulge on the bonnet of the E. The chrome on the E is another one of my favorite items. Seems like everything coming out today looks like the others - just a "jellybean." We Jaguar enthusiasts want something with STYLE, something beautiful - and the power to back up the looks. (Not just another pretty face.)
Also, make sure it will accommodate a short driver. Being 5'1", I like the idea of adjustable pedals. Gotta be able to reach that clutch! And airbags are scary for us little people. |
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| Jan 18 2001 02:59 | J. Alex Gambrell | United States | Federal Law Enforcement |
A concept that I have had for a new Jaguar for some years now is to incorporate the look of a big cat's eyes in the tail lens configuration. Talk about something that would set this "cat" above all others. Can you imagine the look on people's faces when that glorious cat passes them on the motorway with those "cat-eye" tail lenses staring back at them?
Practically, the original concept featured slit type lenses and the workable model in the press pack features the aged round tail lenses. I feel a combination of the two is in order, thus giving the "cat-eye" appearance to the final product. I'm the owner of a 1990 XJ-S Convertible and I just test drove a 2001 XKR Convertible. I'm impressed with the quality, still worth the Jaguar surname. Keep up the great work.
J.A. Gambrell |
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| Jan 18 2001 02:56 | Peter H. Schmidt | United States | Entrepreneur |
To give you some context, my current vehicles are a Lincoln Navigator, a highly modified 95 RX-7 twin turbo with the same performance numbers as a 360 Modena, and for the family car, a 99 XJR in BRG. After seeing the F-Type concept last year, it became one of the two cars I am considering replacing my RX-7 with - the other is the new concept Viper. So, will it be elegance, or power?
The new drawings are too extreme. The wheels are ridiculously big - look like the ones on my ancestors' Prairie Schooners, not sportscar wheels. No bigger than 18", please. The slitty new headlight treartment reminds me of the Focus - the concept's were beautiful! And, it's just too thick.
I like the rear light treatment a bit better than the concept's, I like the minimal overhangs (not like the 911's new Boxster snout), I like the hood.
Please make sure it comes (in R version) with a 6-speed manual, a 4.0 second 0-60mph time, top speed of 175+, 1.0g on the skidpad. If not, even pretty as it could be, there won't be a compelling reason for me to replace my RX-7...
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| Jan 18 2001 02:33 | John J. Garber | United States | musician/automobile mechanic |
Dear sirs,
The fact that you are considering an upgrade to the XK-E is indeed a welcome relief to all of us who yearn for a return to our childhoods. The baby boomers in this country, who are in a position to own what may be the next evolution of sportscars, certainly want our share of the fun.
Please do not follow the leaders and produce another Volkswagen Beetle update. Instead, make sure you build a world beater. I'm talking about fast, in a straight line, around corners and under heavy braking. Whatever the skin ends up looking like, if the underpinnings ooze Jaguar " world beater " there will be buyers lining up around the block ( globe ).
If the underpinnings ooze Jaguar " comfortable, pricey " there will be the same ho-hum that has gone on for too long ... with the legendary " Jaguar " name, taking it's beating.
Is it possible to produce a car that can destroy all performance figures to date, at a price somewhat beyond the average person's reach ? Let us, who have always enjoyed being involved with sportscars have something to look up to, make it a Jaguar.
If you can produce such a mind bender and have it visually reminescent of the " E-type " then so much the better. If it ends up looking like a spaceship, I'm sure sylists will be copying the design elements for the next 38 years, as long as the performance comes close to matching what was available in context, from the first XK-Es.
I'm sure you are looking more for what most think about the look of the car. Is it possible that performance alone could sell ? A touch of wood and leather would satisfy me.
I do appreciate the chance to voice my opinion and hope others feel as I do ... " FAST FOREVER " |
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| Jan 18 2001 02:30 | Tim Lehman | United States | |
| Please make sure the seats and steering column have enough adjustment to allow for someone over 6 foot tall to comfortably drive the car. Most of the cars in the class the F-Type is targeted to compete against do not have enough adjustment for me, 6' 2'' tall, to even sit in neverless drive. I currently own an XJ-S, and if the F-TYPE looks anywhere as good in person as it does in the pictures I would trade my XJ-S off in a second for one. |
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| Jan 18 2001 01:47 | Mark Eaton | New Zealand | Company Director |
Comments from a 40yr old who used to love jags but who hasn't had an urge to look in a Jag showroom for years.
I loved the XK180 concept. I would have killed to buy one and still may build a repo with the V12 motor.
The original F type was good also, but lost a bit of the agility of the XK180. A bit fatter, a bit higher, a bit less lithe. It also lost the louvers in the bonnet which should be put back in.
The new press photos do nothing for me at all.
Get back to the louvred bonnet on the XK180.
Keep the original light clusters.
For heavens sake get rid of the rabbits ears rear vision mirrors (In 2003 surely you will have a rear facing camera and not mirrors?).
It must be light weight.
It must have an outrageous power to weight ratio.
It must have AT LEAST a six speed manual gear box. (Hey we love to change gears - we love to DRIVE).
Reduce the size (dia) of the wheels.
Flare the wheel arches more (more agressive).
Put the rear spoiler back on.
It must look more agressive - we're not going to drive this to drinks on the lawn, we want to thrash it over the back roads.
The early jags were drivers cars. The later ones were built for chauffers.
Start with a stripped out performance car (ie S1 E-type), if people want it soft with air-conditioning, let them wait for the SIII version.
As an owner, you need to be able to be PROUD in what's under the bonnet. If someone mentions 4 cylinders, shoot them. If it's going to be light, then the supercharged V6 may just do, if its heavy bring back the V12 ... (then again, if it's heavy don't bother doing it!)
PS Just to make you really wish you'd never asked for opinion, why not a rear mounted motor like the XJ13?
PPS Thanks for asking for an opinion :) |
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| Jan 18 2001 00:43 | Chip Alexander | United States | Director of Software UI Design |
First off, let me mention that I am definitely a serious and studied fan of the F-Type. After getting a copy of every U.S. (and even two non-U.S.) magazine that did a writeup the F-type, I was finally able to see the car in person at the Concours d'Elegance in Pebble Beach. It did not disappoint -- it is probably the most beautiful car I have ever seen. I really follow cars as a passion, so that is quite a compliment. The "probably" only comes from a few 250 series Ferrari's which are also striking.
Upon returning home from the show, I immediately put down a deposit on the car, even before it was officially announced as a go, and even with it years away. I have pictures of the car as my computer background and hung around my office, to hold me until the car arrives. That's how taken I am with it.
I hope this gives context to my remarks as not just as an avid car fan but as a someone already planning on buying the F-Type as long as it comes out similar to the concept I saw (and has the performance I would expect from a Jag). My suggestions are these:
1. The headlight units of the original are quite beautiful, like a more rounded and flowing version of those on the DB7. The headlight units on the new sketches are not nearly as beautiful though, instead looking more like some science fiction spaceship rather than sculpted artwork. I hope the final version looks more like the original concept's. Let's not have a repeat of the Boxster, where the production version was pretty, but forever a disappointment after the original concept.
2. I personally love burled walnut in cars, and don't see it as contradictory to a car being a sports car. Moreover, Jaguar has had beautiful wood dashboards for decades now, and it has become one of the trademarks of the name. I know the old D-types and E-types didn't have wood dashboards, but really think there is room to add this beautiful touch that is now part of modern Jaguar hertiage without losing the sporty focus of the car.
3. Be sure to offer "Pacific Blue" on the F-Type when it comes out. I saw Pacific Blue on an XK at a recent auto show, and it was perfect. It is too sporty and small a car for a dark reserved blue like the XJ's Sapphire Blue.
If you do any consumer studies to verify final design or styling, I would love to be included. You can contact me at 415.615.1452 or chip_alexander@mail.com |
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| Jan 17 2001 23:50 | Steve Houtari | United States | Airline Pilot |
Dear Folks at Jaguar:
Please ensure that the F-TYPE has two major points for the buyer. The first is that the performance must be top notch. If it takes supercharging or a V-8, so be it. The second is that the car must have a manual transmission available at introduction.
I think I can put my thoughts in a capsule comment: I normally do not buy NEW cars, they depreciate far too much. This F car might just be enough to change my mind in that area!
(I own a 1994 VDP and a 1994 XJ12.)
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| Jan 17 2001 23:39 | Tom Milne | Canada | Chief Financial Officer |
Delighted to hear of the launch.
I will be looking for my order booking opportunity.
Three years seems a long lead time,but getting it right is the best outcome.
99 XJ8, 73 XJ12 |
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| Jan 17 2001 23:19 | Alfonso Rodríguez | Guatemala | Electrical Eng. |
| Ad to Jaguar statement....affordable price as Sir Williams Lyons would put his efforts |
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| Jan 17 2001 23:15 | jenny krzyminski | United States | student |
Hello,
the new design is fabulous. Owning a 1976 xj12L, Ilove the thought and design process that goes into a jaguar. The only thing that I would change would be the wheel package. I believe the wheels should indeed be sporty, but not trying to imitate a suped up honda. thank you. |
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| Jan 17 2001 22:56 | Thom Layden | United States | |
Consider the rich history the Etype has enjoyed and let history repeat itself. Stylish design that shows the muscle within. A strong engine rated for 250+hp.
Manual transmission minimum of 5 speed. Forget about all the frilly things that you can. Put together a solid machine that is stylish to look at and has muscle to move it. Dash must be so all gauges are within easy eyesight. Gauges to include volts or amps - fuel - oil - water temp - tach - speed. Allow a/c to be option rather than standard.
We need a sports car that can be afforded at all age levels -- post college to retirement.
Thanks for the opportunity. |
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| Jan 17 2001 22:48 | Len Bareman | United States | |
| The Jaguar design team have done a GREAT job! I've seen XK180 and F-Type in person (Detroit), and while I'm happy with both, I must say that the F-Type is brilliant, and a real advance on XK180. The exterior/interior design is more than worthy as a competitor to Boxster, SLK, and Z3. Be SURE to offer a 'manumatic' for the US market. When/where is a die cast model available? Great work guys - a smaller, lighter sports model is even more appealing than the current XK series. The shape is fantastic, a worthy follower of the XKSS (the finest automotive shape to date, in my humble opinion). ljb |
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| Jan 17 2001 22:41 | Mike O'Hare | United Kingdom | IT Architect |
| I'm delighted that Ford have taken the gamble and decided to recreate the spirit of the E-Type in a modern car. However I detect rather too much of the marketing guys fear of risky originality (too much Ford influence ?).
The F-Type images show nothing like the sleek lines of the original E-Type. I have one of the least attractive - a Series 2 2+2 and the F-Type just doesn't tug at the heart strings in the same way.
It's too fat, Boxter like, and there is too much metal inside on the dash. Where is the joy in the feel and look of the switches and dials on an E-Type dash ? The F-type equivalents are just too repetitive, there isn't enough visual stimulus to draw your eyes around the dash and to make you want to become one with the car.
The wheels are reminiscent of a supercar like the AM Vantage or XK220 and I agree with almost everyone else, manual gearbox is a must and it has to be affordable by ordinary folk.
In summary, nearly but not quite. It looks like it's been done by someone who's a good designer, but doesn't understand the soul of the E-Type. |
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| Jan 17 2001 22:37 | Ian Gillies | Australia | Director |
| There are no mass produced, affordable, daily driver sports cars these days (although there are some limited production ones) just 2 seaters and 2+2s. This is Jaguar's opportunity to revive sport car driving and feel. Rover missed the boat when Mazda entered the convertable market with the MX5 (or Miatta) disenfranchising the MG Marque.
While the feel of say a Lotus super seven is perhaps a bit to extreme for a successful model run these days, a sports car should still be felt through the seat of the pants when driving. A chirpy exhaust note also is desirable. Direct steering and balance can be achieved in a refined way without removing the raw feel of a genuine sports car. With design and manufacturing improvement since the E type the car doesn't have to be uncomfortable to achieve sports car status but it should clearly identify itself by its sound, looks, feel and performance. |
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| Jan 17 2001 22:08 | Mike Hirsch | United States | |
| Great looking car. Just doesn't look like a
Jaguar. It needs a longer hood (bonnet) and more
classic Jaguar lines. A manual transmission is
a must. Like the E-type it should stand out and
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| Jan 17 2001 22:03 | Henryk Kramek | United Kingdom | Consultant |
| Make sure there is enough headroom for a person 6'4". My XK8 is rather snug. Hid the windsheild wipers. Seeing the edges of the front bonnet is quite useful. A sequential shifter rather than paddles. A red starter button. Price it under 40K USD. Balance at 50/50 for handling. Coupe, Targa, DHC and OTS model . Do try and put the soft top under a hard cover rather than a stack like the XK8. Dump the BMW rear lights. A machined or metal dash with a wood option. |
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| Jan 17 2001 21:52 | Ivar Biggen | Djibouti | Sheik |
| The genius of the original Mustang was it was a cool looking car that drove like a hot rod, AND was within the price range of regular guys who liked that sort of thing, not fat, bald old men. Now that Jaguar is Ford maybe some of that sensibility will rub off on your new Jaguar. Build us a hot rod, not a damn Oldsmobile. |
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| Jan 17 2001 21:42 | A.J. Hope | Canada | |
| Since retro styling is haute couture, the X type should not only evoke memories of the E type, it should mirror it. Why not produce a techincally leading edge version of the world's most sought after popular-price sportscar? Label it the XE and its sure to be a winner. |
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| Jan 17 2001 21:29 | Ewout | Netherlands | |
| Dear Jagmen,
Please stick with the original design and keep the wheel size down. It will look better. Thank you.
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| Jan 17 2001 21:21 | Len Amore | United States | Test Engineer |
| I love the way it looks, but would really like to see a manual transmission in a Jag again. My S-Type V-8 screams for one. The automatic "shifter" doesn't quite make it. Use the one that is in the Cobra Mustang or even better, find a better 6 speed. It is time Jaguar aims for the younger crowd and make true sportscar again.
Thanks
Len Amore |
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| Jan 17 2001 21:15 | Brandon B. Shriver | United States | |
| Overall design of concept car looks good, but the rear end displayed in the drawings looks to much like a boxter, whereas the rear end on actual car looks pretty good. Will performance be able to compete with Corvette etc.? Will pricing be kept under $50k?(USD) |
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| Jan 17 2001 21:14 | Chance | United States | System Analyst |
| Please oh please stay with the original design. It evokes a Jaguar sinuous presense while the newer design seems to have a futuristic spaceship feel to it. The original will be an instant classic and would (if you keep the price in the range of $30-$40,000 US) most assuredly be found in my garage alongside the XJ6L and the twin MGB's.
I can easily picture Sir William in the original concept. I can see him looking on with contempt and confusion on the newer design.The original just left me breathless with the anticipation of driving it. The newer concept just left me.
Be sure and make the entire car a Jaguar. A 6 speed manual is a must - solid sporty suspension to allow the car to be driven - a POWER power plant (250hp +) with rear wheel (or all-wheel) drive - and enough leather and wood to create the feel of sophistication without the cost. The car has to make a statement both while at rest and when moving. It is afterall a Jaguar, "A blending of Art and Machine".
Thanks for allowing us British car nuts to throw in our two cents. I hope some of our comments prove worthwhile.
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| Jan 17 2001 21:13 | David Randall | United States | Database Administrator |
| It needs to look more like the E-Type, with a longer nose and 'butt in the air' stance.
Also, there needs to be a bare-bones model, as well as a fancy, yuppified one.
Please make it a straight-six for the sound, and don't try to make a Miata styled roadster. |
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| Jan 17 2001 21:03 | Shaun Nelson | United States | Computer consultant |
| I think, the current car is very pretty, and little should be changed.
But, please make it a drivers car, manual transmission, (at least as an option) powerful engine (it doesn't have to be a V8, indeed a straight six would be awesome) And seats that can feel the road. (maybe a four-point seatbelt)
Please don't put in things like electric seats, AirCon, ABS, navingational aids or traction control. (less gadgetry.)
In short, make it more like a TVR and less like an Aston Martin. I would love to see Jaguar return to what it used to be.
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| Jan 17 2001 21:01 | Ted Macklin | United States | Marketing |
| #1 Show me some wood please, even if it is only on the steering wheel!
#2 I am a bit undecided on the wheels - from certain angles they draw too much attention - too spokey? Like a wagonwheel.
Otherwise excellent.
As I was quick to volunteer here (at Road Atlanta back in '95) for a test drive 'round the track, I am more than anxious to get the F-Type out there for a spin.
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| Jan 17 2001 20:50 | Christian Steinmann | Austria | |
| In front of me I see a scale model of the Jaguar XKSS. The soft contours let me feel the strong beast in it. The 'pure' sports orientation makes it desirable. But it is not that sort of racing we are facing on TV today. The XKSS is gentleman drivers. Great sportsman.
And yes: I can feel the same spirit when I look at the XK 180 or the F-Type concept car. They also are car's for the sportsman, leaving the 'modern' tin can design (like Audi has) far behind...
And then there came the moment of deep depression: I saw the drawings of the F-Type. Oh no! How could this happen? Technology without any spirit? First thought was: Take front of the Ford Focus and back of the Bimmer Z8 and you have the totally boring car!
Please, please, please: Destroy all the drawings. The pictures in no way show up a future way, a design line or so. There are no ideas, no sex, no appeal in it.
The F-Type concept car had everything in it: style, class, design... No, it is not a real retro design. Think of the XK120 which was also retro car in its days.
If you are afraid, a car like the F-Type concept car will NOT become the benchmark for a full decade (like the E-type was), then I can tell you: The car on the drawings will not even be the benchmark for a second.
And yes: the F-Type may become a real OTS again. We've been waiting long enough for it. It needs to be light. Very light. And full of leather. Need to smell the leather. It needs to be small and neat. Like a glove. It needs to be loud on start and loud on acceleration, but quiet purring on the highway.
And yes, (finally) it needs to be green... Racing green to be precise. |
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| Jan 17 2001 20:42 | J. H. Ross | Canada | |
| The original show car had the sensuousness of a jaguar with a very modern look. The The drawings in the January press pack show a slab sided boxster wannabe. Keep to the style and form of the original "F" type show car and you will have a winner if it has the performance to match the looks. Try to keep "Ford" at arms length! |
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| Jan 17 2001 20:41 | Pete Groh | United States | |
| I would like to see the car have a Targa type removal hardtop, like my Triumph TR4a. You can remove the top, or have two pieces in place, with a aluminum panels or canvas type inserts. This would make a more all weather type vehicle, with top down drive. |
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| Jan 17 2001 20:34 | Scotty MacClymonds | United States | |
| Drop the funky headlamps and rework the taillamps. The wheels make it look like an old locomotive, perhaps that is what they intended? To be as successful as the E-type (I own four), The car must show aggressive styling that is not wind tunnel approved. The body lines must be long and flowing. Stay away from the egg like sameness of other marques. Without a unique styling statement, the car will be old news in a short time. |
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| Jan 17 2001 20:30 | Bob Whitcroft | Canada | Software Sales Manager |
| I have actually put a deposit down with the Vancouver BC Jaguar dealer to be on the advance order list for the "F-Type". My decision to put money down on a yet to be finalized vehicle is based upon my enjoyment of my present and past Jaguars and my confidence that the delivered "F-Type" will be a hallmark automobile.
Keeping in mind that we are now talking about a late 2003 intro and all of the new advances that may come between now and then my current suggestions for the F are:
- A great 6 speed manual with gearbox with optimal rearend ratios
- Advanced All-Wheel Drive
- A powerplant delivering in excess of 250 HP
- An ABS/ESP type integrated handling/control system
- High performance exhaust to maximize attained horsepower |
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| Jan 17 2001 20:24 | Doug Emde | United States | Real Estate investor |
| My one concern is with interior room. I am not extremely tall, only 6'2'', 220lbs, but there are very few cars in which I can comfortably sit without my thighs hanging off the seat, my knees jammed under the dash, the steering wheel rubbing against the tops of my thighs, my head nearly touching the roof and especially annoying, my line of sight obscured by the sun visor. This applies triple to two seat sports models; I literally cannot fit into an XK8 with the convertible top up, as I look over the windshield when it is down. Most times, just a few inches of additional legroom would make all the difference to being able to safely, if not completely comforatbly, handle the controls. Please make the seat adjustable all the way down to the floor, and all the way back hard against the rear bulkhead. Use every centimeter of space and make the seats THIN! Thinnly padded so as to take up less space and allow the road to be felt.
Looking forward to the drive. Thanks and regards. |
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| Jan 17 2001 20:20 | Vance Stanley | United States | Sr. Programmer/Analyst |
| Sorry,
I have always had a fondness for the V12. I cannot understand why that is not an option (along with the V8). My best guess it boils down to the cost of manufacturing and the old bottom line margins. Still I would imagine there are people that would be willing to pay premium for a High-output V12. Maybe the Ford guys could walk over to the neighboring Austin Martin Assembly line and grab one and drop it into the new F Type (It might even bolt right in).
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| Jan 17 2001 19:51 | Brad Marsland | Canada | Property Developer |
| I was fortunate to view the car that was shown at the Detroit show (Jan 2000) in February 2000 at a private Jaguar showing in Toronto. The more recent concept drawings in the 2001 Press Pack announcing the car is going into production are a far cry from the previous prototype - in particular I hate the small "twinkle" headlights and the BMW Z8-style taillights - The 2000 prototype captures much more of the flavor of the 120C, XKSS, D, & E Jags before it. Put a set of Lucas tri-bar headlamps on it & the car would be perfect. The formula is there - high horsepower, handling, manual transmission, rear wheel drive, 2 seats, leather, metal & great styling. Any possibility of a coupe version? Build it, please - My 3.8 E-type coupe needs a stablemate. |
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| Jan 17 2001 19:44 | Marc Boncz | Netherlands | |
| What a beautiful design, especially the rear end!
Beautiful flowing lines, modern and classic.
However, a few things to add...
Please some smaller wheels and higher profile tires, these wheels fill the wheelarches too much. Looks overdone. Then, please a less plasticy interior, especially the steering wheel and the centre console buttons could be improved.
Further just waiting to see one in reality.
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| Jan 17 2001 19:44 | Jim Farrell | Canada | self employed xk 150ots owner |
| A show of hands please. I would like to know how many of those involved with the concept and design of the F type have had the pleasure of owning or at least have had the opportunity to drive (for an extended period) a 120/140/150/E type? I'm sure the majority of you have had some 'relationship' with the above mentioned F type predecessors and will no doubt capture and incorporate the 'essence' of these exceptional automobiles in this LONG OVERDUE addition to the Jaguar marque. Those of you without intimate knowledge of the xk's and e type, please re assign yourself to the S type 'let's try it again -maybe this time we'll get it right' project. |
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| Jan 17 2001 19:21 | Michael Earle | Canada | Stockbroker |
| I saw the F type last year on its Toronto preview (private showing). I thought that it was PERFECT as is, and should be delivered to the public in its original design, with the possible inclusion of cupholders. I realize that the windshield mounted rear view mirrors probably won't make it into the production model (pity). I just hope that they do not price the car into the stratosphere as this would make a great entry level vehicle especially with the supercharged 6 from the XJR. |
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| Jan 17 2001 07:55 | Stephen Pierce | Australia | Software Developer |
| Is the future of Jaguar the past or the future? The S-Type, whilst attractive, does not develop the Jaguar DNA the standard cliches defined in the 40s/50s/50s. I would like the F-Type to step forward more boldly and help define a new Jaguar. The E-Type, whilst unmistakably a Jag, shared very little styling with XKs.
The XK8 does not take the design of Jaguar foward.
The F-Type whilst attractive, and definitely a Jag, does not seduce me in a way that makes my wallet want to participate, I would like to see some bold designs that make a new statement. |
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| Jan 17 2001 02:12 | Eric O'Brien | United States | Engineer |
| As the owner of a 64 Triumph TR-4, and two Ford Mustang Cobras, all I can say is four little words: "Please, no Ford parts."
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| Jan 16 2001 20:30 | Larry Lee | United States | Mech. Engineer/Tech. Historian |
| To Jaguar engineers and stylists:
I love the lines of the actual F-Type concept car. This car has great promise. Be sure to avoid a plastic look and feel, inside and out. Wood may not be necessary--though a little is always nice--but leather hides are. Certainly a few styling refinements will be necessary for practical reasons, but keep them to a minimum. The line is clean and sinuous. The cat is there. Sir William would be proud! As would I be to drive one.
The car I see in the drawings of the car with thin-slit taillights is not one I would want to buy. It has no real distinction from other cars on the market. It follows, rather than sets, trends. It does not grab my eye, carry it along, and leave it wanting more. The headlight treatment is a bit avant gard (though not really unique), but not at all stylish. The side coachline is too high and out of character with the rest of the car. The rear is blocky, with a deck that appears foolish--more like a pickup truck cover. Jaguar can--must--do better than this. Stay with the actual concept car!
Regardless of styling, a good car is made to DRIVE. Please do not simply drop a new body on a mundane chassis. To be the leading-edge car this one can be, it needs a strong engine, preferably the AJ-8, a 5- or 6-speed fully-manual gearbox, rear-wheel drive, and great brakes. What it does NOT need is all of the latest computer gadgetry as standard equipment. Give me solid mechanicals, controls, and instrumentation that are easy for a knowledgeable person to maintain. I know how to drive, and I know where I'm going.
Avoiding every possible gimmick would also allow you to build a great road car at a price most of us could afford to buy. As Sir William knew, high price and high quality are not the same thing. Shoot for $30,000 US.
Thank you for the opportunity to offer comments. I wish Jaguar great success with the F-Type! |
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| Jan 16 2001 12:42 | Gunnar Helliesen | Norway | |
| Dear Jaguar,
Please, please stay with the original concept design of the F-Type, in particular the round tail lights and the "normal" headlights. The original concept is just incredibly beautiful, an instant classic. Clean lines, a clear family likeness while still having an individual identity all its own. A masterpiece! Please, whatever you do, do NOT fall for the temptation of going "retro" in the design. There are just enough E-Type hints in the original concept as-is.
As others have said, please make sure that the F-Type is a driver's car. Rear wheel drive, a powerful engine (the V8 MUST be available), manual transmission, light weight. Instead of a "normal" automatic transmission a "tiptronic-style" semi-automatic would be ideal.
Congratulations on the decision to go ahead with the F-Type and thank you for hearing the voices of us, your faithful enthusiasts. Best of luck with the very exiting F-Type project!
Gunnar |
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| Jan 16 2001 11:48 | Boris | United Kingdom | |
| Please, please, please go back to the lighting cluster designs (front and rear) on the original concept car. The new front lights in particular look awful |
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| Jan 16 2001 06:05 | Jukka Linneo | Finland | |
| I am very disappointed for that new F-Type! Especially
rear end is ugly! Original design with round tail lights
are real Jag design. Overall old design looks Jaguar.
New one is total crap! |
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| Jan 16 2001 00:53 | Shelley Yoelin | United States | |
| I would like it to look like a retro- E-Type.
What a beauty it was!
Sincerely,
Shelley Yoelin |
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| Jan 15 2001 21:39 | Paul Squire | New Zealand | Telecommunications Consultant |
| Congratulations on the decision to build the F-Type. It is the first new Jaguar I would seriously consider purchasing. The S-Type came quite close but the plastic instrumentation had me returning to my modified, restored, manual XJ12-S1.
In my mind Jaguar has 3 clear priorities in the F-Type:
1. It must be a driver's sports car
* Rear wheel drive
* Manual Transmission
* Everything you touch to drive it must please
+ polished quality metal switchgear & handles
+ positive direct action in everything
+ balanced effort across:
pedals, steering & gear-shift
* Everything the driver looks at must please
+ Long bonnet with a power bulge
+ Unique instrumentation
NOT PLASTIC FROM THE PARTS BIN
* Exceptional passive roadholding
+ Classic understeer with power oversteer
+ Predictable at and beyond the limits
+ Direct steering & braking with plenty of feel
* Plenty of power from a visually exciting engine
2. Its styling must make it almost a caricature
* The SS100 was considered exagerated in its day
It was called a "Wide Boy's Car"
* The E-Type's bonnet was outrageously long
* Both are rated most beautiful of all time
* Have fun with the design. You've made a good start. What about working the D-Type's fin into it? It could provide a handy place for the radiator, oil cooler, retractible hood...
3. It must not be highly expensive
* Lyons secret was to depreciate tooling over a long period. He got away with it because his almost caricature styling did not date.
* Do not fill it with electronic safety, navigation and handling aids. A well balanced powerful car with excellent brakes does not need ABS, traction control, Satellite navigation, active suspension etc.., especially when driven by drivers who are enjoying it - they are paying attention. A basic manual transmission with a clutch is all we need albeit 5 or 6 speed with excellent feel & bite to the clutch. If you think the 'market' is going to demand these electronic aids plan to add them in the future. When their price and size come down it will be easier to fit them. Lyons wore an overcoat rather than fit heaters to his cars. You might even get away with leaving the air conditioning out. Make sure your designers spend plenty of time driving a Lotus Elise and keep them well away from the DB7. |
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| Jan 15 2001 21:01 | Dann Poindexter | United States | Web Developer |
| I like the direction Jaguar has taking in styling the last few models, especially the XK 180 and the F-type, but excluding the S-type. As for the production F-type, I would like to see the model fall somewhere in the market with the Porsche Boxster, with performance the driving force in development. Go back to the most performance for the money attitude that Jaguar had in the E-type Era. And produce a driver’s car. A MANUAL six-speed gearbox with gear ratios to promote performance driving would be a huge first step. I would also like to see a minimal amount or attention to luxury aspect of the F-type. I think the XK8 is a great car, for a luxury GT, but I think its focus is too much on the luxury part of design. I want to see the F-type be an E-type with all the technology advances of modern performance cars, and none of the gimmicks or softening to appeal to non-enthusiast buyer. The formula is two seat roadster, with a hi-reving 350 to 400 hp engine mated to 6-speed manual gearbox, loads of braking and handling and only bare minimun of luxury. |
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| Jan 15 2001 16:52 | antonio calderon | Mexico | estudiante |
| este es el carro mas hermoso que jamas he visto, me encantan todos los carros de jaguar sobre todo el xj220 y el f-type, sin duda jaguar sabe como hacer los mejores carros del mundo, y desearia que el f-type corriera masd rapido, aunque a decir verdad no se cuanto corre , si se puede por favor mandenme sus prestaciones, o una comparacion con los demas roadster. |
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| Jan 15 2001 15:49 | Bob | Canada | Engineer |
| The F type concept has a lot of potential, but also still needs work to be a true successor to the Xk and E Types. The lines created by Sir William Lyons so successfully in his XK-120/140 and E-types have not been captured as well as I would like to have seen in the concept cars, either from the front, back, or side views. So, as a car invoking thoughts of the past, it needs some tweeking - its only in the details and body lines it falls short in my opinion.
Jaguar should not forget the XK and E-Types were groundbreaking cars on their introduction in many areas; performance, styling, and price.
My suggestion to Jaguar would be to make it a JAGUAR, and not something that could be badged Aston Martin , etc. (Note I do not have anything against Aston Martin, they are lovely cars, but are just different.)
The F-Type is going to be a tough one no matter what they do. The E-Type is known, 40 years after its introduction, as the sexiest car in the world: a VERY tough act to follow.
I'm sure that whatever the stylists at Jaguar come up with will be a very good car. I'd love to see it be a great car, as enduring as the E-Type.
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| Jan 15 2001 15:42 | George Cohn | United States | Telecom Engineer |
| As long as the car is rear wheel drive or AWD and has either a 5 or 6 speed manual transmission, it will get serious attention from me.
I would hope that the styling cues show significantly more E-Type influence. I have a few problems with the concept car, IE: taillights.
The car needs to be in the price range of the high 20's to mid 30's (USD) to be affordable by the younger crowd that Jaguar hopes to attract.
It also needs to have significant performance for it's price range. This definitely needs to be a car aimed at the spirited enthusiast.
It also needs to have a tonneau cover for those of us in sunnier climates like Arizona. Ever try to get in a convertable that's been parked in the 115 F midday sun in Arizona? An optional hardtop like the original E-Types would also be a plus.
I'm looking forward to parking one in my garage next to our '70 E-Type OTS. |
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| Jan 15 2001 15:01 | pascal Gademer | United States | |
| The F-type concept car as originally presented is exciting, different, refreshing, yet still shows its fantastic Jaguar heritage. A perfect blend of tradition and future, which like most Jaguars will result in a timeless design.
I can't wait for the F-type to be available, it will make a great addition to my 72 e-type, 2000 XKR Coupe and 99 XJR as long as it has a manual gear box and good performance ( 0-60 in the lower 5 seconds and mid 13 sec quarter mile ).
Hopefully, Jaguar will not make the same mistake as BMW, Audi, Mercedes, and even Porsche, by introducing a car where performance does not match the looks !
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| Jan 15 2001 14:22 | Daniel Thompson | Canada | Portfolio Management |
| First, a little background: I have been a Jaguar enthusiast for several decades and have owned several different variants over that period; I presently own an E-type. My parents before me owned XKs and were founding members of JCNA etc. I run a local Club and probably answer inquiries about Jaguars from google-eyed enthusiasts several times every day. I signed a contract and plunked down a deposit on an F-type at the local dealership about six months ago (mid-2000).
Like others who have already offered their comments, I would not consider buying any of Jaguar's current offerings. Don't get me wrong, they are good cars, probably the best built cars ever offered by the firm. But there is no successor to the XK and E-type lineage and that is what interests me.
I'm split down the middle on this debate. What's got me all tied up in knots is the "retro" craze. I understand marketing and I know that baby boomers will pay good money for a car that brings back memories of ones they lusted after in their youth. One only has to look at the success of the new Beetle, the PT Cruiser and likely the Thunderbird to realize there is money to be made in this market segment. And so it is with the "F-type"; it appears as though Jaguar-Ford will jump on the bandwagon and produce a car that resembles an E-type but is based on generic modern running gear and a shared platform. Why? Admittedly the E-type was one of the greatest styling successes of all time, but what's done is done; you can't bring back the E-type. Was the XK-120 or the E-type a "retro" car? Were either of them based on a shared platform? No! When they built the E-type Jaguar took what was then the state of the art in competition car thinking (the D-type) and translated that into a state of the art road car. Why not do the same now? This strategy would take a LOT of courage and a huge financial risk, but success would reflect well on Jaguar and Ford for years to come. How much money does Ford have tied up in the Jaguar Formula One project? Why?
This strategy would mean that the car would have to emulate in many ways the current thinking in WSC or Le Mans-spec racing car design. To me, this means mid-engine, balance, performance and aerodynamic efficiency. To hell with practicality, that's reserved for XK8 drivers!
The car must be price-competitive with the Boxster "S" and the BMW "M" Roadster. Apart from that, it's a clean sheet. I say make it a world-beater even if it means forsaking your usual profit margin. Think of the goodwill it could generate for the marque! Much more than just some plastic "retro" car that will go out of style in a few short years. You have talented stylists and engineers working at Jaguar-Ford, let them have some fun for a change!
I saw it mentioned previously, but please do NOT produce a "base" version of this car. Did the XK120 or the E-type have a "base" version? How much damage to BMW's reputation did the 1.9-litre version of the Z3 do? If I bought one of those during the initial hype I would be peed off at BMW for life! My vote goes for one version, one price (like the E-type).
Of course, it must have rear wheel drive and a manual transmission. 4WD and a steering wheel mounted shifter are possibilities if done well (although I don't see any 4WD endurance cars). Offering convertible and coupe configurations is also a good idea.
To summarize, Jaguar and Ford have the opportunity to create something special here. Something that will capture the imagination of the enthusiast and the general car buying public alike for years to come. If you decide to stick a E-type look-alike body on a Mustang platform with a generic V6 then I'm not going to buy one and I don't think you will sell many after the initial hype wears off.
Please, show some courage and some foresight and produce a car that would have made Sir William proud!
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| Jan 15 2001 13:38 | john shuck | United States | consultant |
| This means more folks will be driving Jaguars which will mean that in 10 years when I can afford one... there will be more to choose from... That's how I got my 120. E-type, and Mk9. A worthy addition despite its humble origins. |
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| Jan 15 2001 06:59 | Kirby Palm | United States | Engineer - retired |
| My compliments on agreeing to accept input. The following is from an XJ-S owner who wouldn't consider any of your current offerings at any price. The F-Type is the ONLY thing Jaguar has come up with since the XJ-S was introduced that I would even drop into a dealer to look at.
There are two different F-Types that we have been presented: one that was an actual concept car with round taillights, and one illustrated in a press pack with narrow horizontal taillights. The actual concept car is by far the better-looking of the two. The rear end of the press pack version has potential, but the exhaust tips need to be moved out to the two sides to avoid looking EXACTLY like a Porsche. Either way, the front end of the press pack version is a lost cause, please hit "Delete" and dump that design in the circular file. Same for the wheels shown in those illustrations: ugh.
There are two things that are very important to making the F-Type a success. First, it needs to be powered by the Jaguar V8 engine; having an optional supercharger would be ideal. If there is anyone on your staff pushing for putting a V6 in this car, please hand them a mop and put them to a job they're more suited for.
Second, the car needs to be offered with a genuine manual transmission. I know your fancy modern selectable automatic is lovely, and I'm sure 95% of the cars actually sold will be fitted with it, but just the same it is essential that a manual transmission be offered -- even if it requires hand-assembly as a "special".
The concept car, with a V8 with optional supercharger, with available manual transmission, will be a world-beater. Regardless of how many are ever sold, they will increase the sales of the various Jaguar saloons by more than the costs of setting up the production line; people will come in to see the F-Type, and when their wives bitch that there's no room for the kids, the salesman will point out that the saloons have the same pedigree -- and a car is sold.
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| Jan 15 2001 05:00 | Mark Stephenson | United States | Computer Consultant |
| I think the original prototype of the F-type captures the essence of Jaguar. I hope the car performs as well as it looks.
I do not like the front end treatment of the car in the latest press pack at all -- I would not buy that car. I could live with the slit taillights, but like the round lights much better.
I realize some modifications of the original design will have to be made to add "creature comforts" like a top, but for us in sunny Arizona, I would like to see the wrap-around windscreen, with tonneau cover, available as an option. if you don't want to provide it, I'd like to see the car configured so that the wrap-around windscreen and side glass could be provided by an aftermarket supplier.
Please don't make it available only with an automatic transmission in the states. Echoing the sentiments of others, rear-wheel drive is a must.
Then, all we would need would be an early sign up program for Jag-Lovers members.
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| Jan 15 2001 01:27 | Kim Lowde | United Kingdom | Electrical Engineer |
| Please don't use those awful looking lights, they have been tried on other cars and look ridiculous, the silly looking 3 little lamps placed up the front wings and the awful slits for the back, will spoil what should be a great world beating car.
The original concept looked magnificent, so did the light arrays, that's what made the car so appealing to so many people. I know it can not be built exactly how you originally conceived it, but you should stick to the origonal concept as closely as possible, with those wonderful lighting clusters. After all that's what got people excited about the car in the first place,(the whole car not just the lights). |
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| Jan 14 2001 01:01 | John Littler | Australia | IT |
| First I'd like to say that the new Xtype is exactly the car I had hoped Jaguar would build - congratulations on what will undoubtably be a huge success. I'll be putting a deposit down on one just as soon as my local dealer will accept it.
The new Ftype I hope will achieve the same blend of heritage and modernity of styling.
The XK180 and then the Ftype concept cars were great, a blend of smooth style with a hint of muscle. Most importantly they were distinctive and they were obviously Jaguars.
The concept sketch released with the production announcement is very disappointing however, the rear end screams Boxter. If I wanted a boxter knock off I'd buy an '01 MR2...
The side view of the concept sketch feels unbalanced, rear heavy, which I think is a function of the rear of cockpit through to tail curving upwards from a start point above the door sill, in a curve which isn't reflected from elsewhere on the car. Compare that to the Ftype concept where the rear is a continuation of the windshield/windows line, and compare to the XK180 where it is a smooth line flowing from the door sills (with Dtype humps above that line of course). Nice.
The rear sketch is very boxter-ish - while Jag may have used the centrally placed exhausts on the Series 3 Etype, it's a Porsche styling cue in the minds of the vast majority of the people you'll be marketing this car to I suspect. Similarly the backend bears a passing resemblance to the V12 E (I compared the rear shot here
[http://www.jag-lovers.org/include/iv.php3?in=/brochures/xke3/ultimate-v12_7_l.jpg]
with the sketch and I can find some family resemblance, for some reason however it doesn't work to signal "Jaguar" it simply reads Porsche to me. I suspect this is a function of what has happened stylistically in the intervening years since the Etype stopped production.
The Ftype and XK180 concept cars' rear with round tailights seems to work better IMHO.
Performance-wise the AJV6 in normally aspirated and blown formats would be the obvious choices, particularly given the need for a blown V6 for the Xtype to compete in the M3 market space. Manual transmission *has* to be an option. A "bare bones" option with minimal extras should be available, I suspect that you won't sell a lot of them, but that they will be the ones that will retain resale value best (compare Porsche new sales volumes vs what resale values indicate are the preferred configurations long term.) While obviously you're in the business of selling new cars, good retained values make it easier to keep selling new cars...
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| Jan 13 2001 19:39 | Kelly Spongberg | Canada | Small business owner |
| This new convertable (roadster?) is the first new Jaguar that I feel could really be in my future!
With pricing below the XK8, and styling more edgy than the X and S types, it could be a real hit.
My concern is that, if it is priced higher, it should
be equipped to outperform EVERYTHING in it's class. If not, it better be priced attractively! |
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| Jan 13 2001 19:25 | Nick Neureuter | United States | Engineer |
| Excellent idea, this forum for input to shape the project. I'll try to be brief. Styling - hopefully it will be a lot closer to the show car than the "styling exercises" shown on the page. The sharper edges on the sketches look too trendy, too much like a Celica. (read: awful) I realize producability needs have to be met of course, but the closer to the show car the better. Performance - good balance and power. Implying a V-6, with an optional supercharger? MANUAL GEARBOX REQUIRED. Automatic optional, if need be. Rear wheel drive. Doodads- make this a drivers car - the base specification should be devoid of integral cell phones, nav systems, power ash tray lids, and other superfluous items. Drive first, pose last. I think this car needs to be built, as stated - small sports car. I would not personally buy an XK8 - it looks great, but it's too big. I really hope this car comes out as promised, I think it will look great next to my E Type. Which reminds me - I haven't seen any mention of this yet - what about plans for a coupe? Anything? Anybody? |
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| Jan 13 2001 18:11 | Terry Larson | United States | Jaguar collector, restorer,nut |
| Having just returned from the LA Auto show, where Jaguar has my C & D Type on display, it was exciting to hear of the announcement to produce the F Type. The display of 13 cars showed the evolution from the SS all the way up to the modern cars and had the F Type there. I can clearly see traces of the E Type and other Jaguar styling which makes the car unique. I have had a passion for the old Jaguars for a long, long time and owned some of the modern cars including the XJ 6 and XJS. Even though I very much liked these cars, I always felt that Jaguars true heritage was based on the 2 seater and that Jaguar needed to go back to their roots, which they are now doing. The F Type is a great looking car and has clearly stirred much emotion. Speaking with Mike O'Driscoll, Simon Sproule and others from Jaguar it is clear that they recognize and appreciate their heritage and in my opinion are going in the right direction. There is some good stuff going on with Jaguar right now. I have told Mike and Simon I would like to get an F Type when they come out. |
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| Jan 13 2001 13:24 | Mark Hicks | United States | Self Employed |
| The overall design is very appealing and very retro of the E-Type. Owning three E-Types, I have always considered it the crowning achievement of car design by Jaguar or any car company. Times and styles have changed so taking into account safety and materials I understand that you can not make another E-type today. For what it is worth, here is my take.
1) I don't feel that the front is long enough giving it the overall compact look of the Boxter or Z3 class sports car. The bonnet on the E-Type was long and a powerful statement of the time.
2) From the side, the rear reminds me of a Boxter.
3) From the front, I feel something is missing. It is cleaner than the E-Type with no bumpers or bar in its mouth.
While I like the new design, I still don't find it destinctive enough to greatly distinguish itself from the competition. Having not driven one, I can only base it on styling. It seems to still be missing some finishing touches. As it stands, I could see picking one up used a few years down the road but there is not enough curb appeal to me to pick one up off the showroom.
Mark Hicks
'64 E-Type OTS, '68 E-Type 2+2, '66 E-Type FHC |
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| Jan 13 2001 13:05 | Shane Jarvis | Australia | Civil Engineer |
| I'm truly glad that Jaguar now have the resources to pursue the production of the range of cars that are now in, or near, to production.
The defining factor in any car from Browns Lane is that it must "Be a Jaguar". That is a terrible statement really as the essence of a Jaguar is different to each individual. A real "One man's poison" type of thing. (I seem to be talking in cliche's here!)
As a true Jaguar enthusiast who is waiting for the smaller models before buying a new one, I think the concept F Type had what was required. It wasn't glued to the past, but was unmistakeably a Jaguar.
I remember as a child when my Step Father owned a number of Jaguars that he felt that the Jaguar had the image of a young man's car, quite different to what the image is now. I believe the concept F Type captured the young man's car image that has been missing for a couple of decades.
The car must have this styling, but it also must have world class performance so it isn't dismissed as a show pony.
Cheers
Shane |
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